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Pretty awesome thread.

I had zero idea Elena was a fraud. I think like the typical USA male I would believe anything from a sexy Russian girl riding a motorcycle in dangerous places. Truth wouldn't have a thing to do with it.

Chernobylite - when I first saw your name I did think of Chernobyl. You said you are an IE, I believe - in Ca. What have you to do with a NR in the fmr USSR?

Lastly - I will not pretend to any more than lay info on reactors - but what ever happened to the idea of the fissionable material for a reactor in the form of a "billiard ball", in ceramic?
 
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Lastly - I will not pretend to any more than lay info on reactors - but what ever happened to the idea of the fissionable material for a reactor in the form of a "billiard ball", in ceramic? [/qb]

Pabs..I suspect that the problem would be that there is not enough surface area to make it feasable considering the size of the reactor you would need. For instance the RV at TMI has 177 fuel assemblies, 12 feet long with (I think) 216 fuel rods per fuel assembly.
 
Pablo: Don't worry about it, lots of folks don't understand this stuff and I'm no expert on it either. Just remember the immortal words of Albert Einstien: "Nuclear power is a H*** of a way to boil water".

It's odd you'd mention sexy Russian women and Elena. The truth is most Slavic women would never ride a motorcylce because it'd be an afront to their femininity, something they (and their culture) hold in very high regard. There is no nice way to say this except Elena is on the low end of the scale among Ukrainian women when it comes to both beauty and femininity. I haven't mentioned it but I consider myself somewhat of an expert on them. Not only have I dealt with many over the years but I'm married to one.

Second, a bike like that is so far beyond the means of most Ukrainains it's laughable. We're talking about a place where the average person doesn't own a car and makes $200/month. In my years traveling around Ukraine I think I've seen one or two Japanese bikes in total. That doesn't mean her owning one, like her story, is also a fraud. It simply means she would be a *very* rare case of both owning such a machine and riding it. Then again as I said, most Ukrainains won't go anywhere near the Zone and she did. And she does live in Kyiv, where the standard of living is higher.

I'm a former industrial machine design engineer turned professional pilot. How I ended up at Chornobyl is complicated but some of it does have to do with the women. They are the some of the finest on Earth and once you've dealt with them you'll never look at women the same way again, especially American women. Typical American male around Russian women? Lol, I beleive it. I've been amazed at some of the things I've seen American men do in Ukraine. Can't say I blame them too much because it's a girl watcher's paradise.

The last I heard of the "billard ball" reactor was that it was going to be built in Asia. China if I recall. That was a few years ago and I've lost track of it. I'll have to look at the link Shannow provided. I recall it's graphite moderated though and that alone would make me nervous.

Again, I'm not a nuclear engineer. My interest lies with industrial accidents and Chorno in particular due to a fondess for Ukriane and it's people. Being a former engineer in all sorts of industries and a pilot I'm a technical person and able to absorb technical material easily. At least I was before I started getting old
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Btw Al, you should look up the specs on the RBMK 1000. It's a monster compared to a PWR because of the use of graphite as a moderator. Makes it very big. Unfortunately it also made Unit 4 burn for 10 days.
 
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Originally posted by chenobylite:

I'm still trying to decide how I should write the Chorno stuff up. Either as a long post or sort of a chapter by chapter kind of thing compiled from several trips, using photos for each "chapter". I'm running out of time though. I get lots of time off from my job but when I have to work I'm gone for days. Plus I need to capture a lot of frames from all the video I have. I doubt there is really enough interest for me to go through all that.


You obviously have the writing ability to do it right. I think the way to go would be to put it on a website with pictures and link to it here and other places.

There should be enough interest that it would eventually start getting a lot of traffic from all over.
 
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Originally posted by XS650:
You obviously have the writing ability to do it right. I think the way to go would be to put it on a website with pictures and link to it here and other places.

I've been meaning to do that for years. While there are many photos on the net there is, as far as I know, no video of the places I've been, especially in Pripyat and the outlying areas. The problem is I'd need to edit all that footage down then convert it to something smaller in file size. That takes time, computing power, and hard disk space I don't have. Then I'd have to find someone to host it.

I put a CD of some raw footage on Ebay a year ago. The response was good so I know there are folks out there interested in the subject. But I felt bad making a buck off it so I donated much of the footage to an independent filmmaker working on a 20th anniversary project. The documentary should be released next year after we return to Ukraine in April. I'd be satisfied if people simply learned something from it and paused to remember. It's been a long time and many remain uninformed about the event, that's obvious from the misconceptions I've heard.

My writing ability? I dunno. I think I write as bad as I film. The vidoes are not professional because I wasn't there with that purpose in mind, although they were done with a decent 3CCD camera. I had no crew on the visits either, just one escort and myself. Think home movies. Plus there is some behavior that needs to be cut, both for security reasons and because sometimes strange things happen in a place where the security people are bored and tend to drink. Lol, there is nothing like mixing vodka and AK-47 carbines to make life in the Zone interesting.
I enjoy writing but I've no real skill at it and, as you can see, I tend to to be long winded. I may put something up here as a test and see how well it's received. A few members have offered to host photos.

Or I may fade away. After all this time I'm in the winter of my association with Chornobyl and it's getting time to move on. It's strange how the place can get into your blood though. Do you remember how Richard Dryfess was compelled to go to Devil's Tower in the old Close Encounters movie yet didn't know why? Lol, that's how it was for me with Chorno. And the first time I went a guy who works there told me: "You'll miss the Zone after you leave, once you've been here you'll want to come back". He was right but I never did quite figure out why.

I dunno. We'll see. My interest over the years is partly due an exposure to the people and culture. Without it the reader/viewer is left with little more than a passing interest in a faraway place long ago forgotten by most, even if it's a place unique on Earth.

[ October 22, 2005, 12:31 AM: Message edited by: chenobylite ]
 
As per your recommendation, I got the book "Ablaze" today..Hardcover, out of print for 12 bucks..brand new almost.
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. Looks great. Thanks again.
 
chenobylite

Your comments regarding Sr90 reminds me of the above ground testing done at the Nevada test site and the people living down wind in southern Nevada and Utah.

Thyroid cancer was reported to be several times higher than normal but I don't recall much about birth defects.

I've always assumed fission bombs are designed to be efficient and aren’t nearly as dirty as a reactor core gone bad. Wishful thinking on my part I suppose, since I was down wind in the late 50’s and 60’s.
 
Good for you Al. You'll end up knowing more about Chorno than most just from that read alone. Btw, I happened to catch a 45 minute thing on TMI last night. History Channel I think. The last 15 minutes were on Chorno and was full of misinformation.

I'll be going back in April for the 20th year "festivities" (for lack of a better word) and to take some people into the zone for the eventual release of the Chernobyl 20 film project, which will contain much of the video I shot there over the years.

Satterfi: They're certainly "cleaner" than a core that burned for 10 days but it still all comes down to what you were exposed to, how long, and in what manner. You've made it this far so I wouldn't worry about it.
 
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I've always assumed fission bombs are designed to be efficient and aren’t nearly as dirty as a reactor core gone bad. Wishful thinking on my part I suppose, since I was down wind in the late 50’s and 60’s.

Bombs in the 50's and 60 were relatively "dirty" as I understand. Radiation induced cancers I believe occut in the 10 to 20 year period. And it takes a healthy dose to increase your risk even to a coule of cancers in 1000 people. And since at least 25% of the population will have a serious cancer..that's already 250 in a thousand. Statistically its almost insignificant.

Worry more about Terrorists (especially the ones in government) getting you well before that
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"Statistically its almost insignificant."

Not when your dad, mom and wife have had it.

My dad was a special case. Note to pilots: don't fly your F102 through mushroom shaped clouds. The plane can take it, you can't.
 
Al is right. A small dose over a large poulation can be a problem but it's takes a much larger dose over a smaller population to cause the same effect.

On another note, every single person in my family has died from lung cancer. Mother, father, aunt's uncles, grandparents, you name it. All of them. Most were smokers although my parents died 25 years after they quit. It's in my genes so I know how I'm gonna go.

Do I make it worse by flying for a living? Did I make it worse by spending so much time at Chorno? I doubt it'll make any difference at all. Besides, there are so many other things that can get you before then. Why worry about it? There is no changing it so live for today and when the time comes it comes. No one gets outta this alive.

The estimate for all future cancers resulting from Chorno is 4000 among those exposed. That's around 700,000 people. So you see, the odds in your case are way better.
 
Chenobylite, you are darn right on the money. People usually focus on the one factor out of many that create the most fear, the one that they cannot control, and try to control it. In this case it is the nuclear related cancer.

On the other hand, the ones that we have control over are often ignored, like skin cancer from tanning, smoking, drinking, drugs, and even food sanitation (Hepititas).

It is all about the fear, not the death.
 
Are there any good maps showing the contamination areas/levels in Belarus?
I've spent about 4 months traveling over there, mostly around Grodno, less than two years after the disaster.

This thread made me thinking...

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