Changing the clocks-time

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Reg# 43897
Love DST &, if I were King, would declare it's universal effect forthwith & never change it to standard time again. But that's me...

In Saskatchewan, we're technically on DST year round.

I would not want to be switching clocks, though. The pro-switchers in Saskatchewan are always a bit of a hypocritical lot. Car dealers want to switch clocks and have double DST in the summer, because they claim it will save them electricity. No, ensuring that your dealership isn't lit up like a stadium at 2:00 a.m. is what will save you electricity. Or the golfers. If you want to golf in the light, golf before work, and don't bother me with your problems.

 

[SteveSRT8]

My grandfather was a farmer. He always said it never mattered what time it was. You started work when it was light enough and you ended work when it got too dark.

They should leave the time alone. It screws up early AM appointments for weeks!

 

[SteveSRT8]

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[supton]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
My grandfather was a farmer. He always said it never mattered what time it was. You started work when it was light enough and you ended work when it got too dark.

They should leave the time alone. It screws up early AM appointments for weeks!


Supposedly Ben Franklin was behind DST. But if was as smart as history says he was, then he would have realized what your grandfather knew.

As an office worker it's just a number. I like getting up at 6, it feels good, but really it's just nice to get up with the sun, maybe a bit before. What with our modern connectivity it really just isn't needed.

Originally Posted By: Shannow
It's a fact...the morning and evening peak demands change markedly when DST is invoked or returned to Standard time.


I'd be curious just how much it really matters. Not being snarky, you're one of the people who I'd trust to quantify it. Up here in New Hampster our lights are on most of the day in winter anyhow, certainly in our workplaces.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: Shannow
It's a fact...the morning and evening peak demands change markedly when DST is invoked or returned to Standard time.


I'd be curious just how much it really matters. Not being snarky, you're one of the people who I'd trust to quantify it. Up here in New Hampster our lights are on most of the day in winter anyhow, certainly in our workplaces.


Will try to dig up some charts, and particularly as the main power grid of Oz is one one North/South band, it's WAY more concentrated in effect than probably the US. Also, Oz's power prices (wholesale) are pretty volatile ATM, with 6c/KWh difference in any given half hour approaching the peak being common.

Think what happens when you get home from work...heating/cooling, cooking, and lighting/enterainment...that makes the evening peak...cooling in particular, you are trying to shift heat out of your house, not long before you start heating it back up again while you cook and turn on lights.

Mornings similarly lighting, HVAC, kettle for tea.

Daylight savings tends to decouple some of these activities by an hour...and in a world with solar cells becoming a player, doing the afternoon stuff earlier means that there's more solar available to do some of the lifting.

By decoupling the major activities and letting solar do a little more than it would otherwise, the peak rather than being a sharpish point becomes a bit of a plateaux, and as the seasons change sometimes there's a two humped peak.

Personally, I don't think that it changes the total amount of energy consumed (my wife's grandmother reckoned that it faded her carpets more as the curtains were open longer) if any. But the flatter peaks mean that there's less need for spinning reserve, and a lower wholeseale market weighted average price (as a consumer, you don't get that on the day, but a bit cheaper overall).

As to the mechanism, my personal belief is that we should just adapt the times that we do stuff to the season...as to humans being humans, we need something silly like changing the clocks to make us do something sensible...that's why I like DST, not because I like the clock changes.

 

[Indydriver]

Originally Posted By: Leo99
I love day light savings time. More time to golf after work. I'd like double daylight savings time in june and July. Sunrise at 4 4am can be moved back to 5am and let it very dark at 10pm


This. It's all about daylight after work to do something. We should stay on it all year long AFAIC.

 

[Shannow]

If that's the case, then 00:00 and 12:00 should stay where they are WRT solar time, and we just move our activities slot.

Which I agree with...but we are too stupid.