Do you think that since Champion Labs is part of the Fram filter group(Rank) will thier quality improve?Right now I'm running the Exreta Guard(OCOD) and it seems to be working ok.I also have in stock the Tough Guard and the Ultra(I checked/No rattles).I hear a few stories that the Fram filters are bad and that they blow up.If they were that bad I would think they would be out of business.I've taken them apart.They do look cheap compared to others.I think a Purolator/Bosch and a Mann-Hummel filter are the better choice though.Joe
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I can't wait either.
So what exactly is the point of this post. Is it to point out that frams cheapest filter is cheaply constructed and in essence you are getting what you pay for,or is it to get another fram bashing thread going,since we don't already have hundreds of them.
There is nothing wrong with fram filters. They are the largest filter producer on earth. I will bet if you considered how many filters they produce a year vs how many of those filters failed the percentage wouldn't be any different than any other filter producer out there.
Yes there are failures,just like every manufacturer however in my 20+ years of changing oil,thousands of oil changes and fram filters I've never had any problem whatsoever with them.
That being said I now shop wiser. I buy napa golds when they come on sale and buy enough for the year,and costs me less than frams cheapest filter,which in my opinion is a better value however I have no fear running fram filters when I need one.
There is nothing wrong with fram filters. They are the largest filter producer on earth. I will bet if you considered how many filters they produce a year vs how many of those filters failed the percentage wouldn't be any different than any other filter producer out there.
Yes there are failures,just like every manufacturer however in my 20+ years of changing oil,thousands of oil changes and fram filters I've never had any problem whatsoever with them.
That being said I now shop wiser. I buy napa golds when they come on sale and buy enough for the year,and costs me less than frams cheapest filter,which in my opinion is a better value however I have no fear running fram filters when I need one.
Everyday price of Fram Extra Guard is more expensive than others such as Purolator Classic. Why would anyone pays more for lesser filter ?
I despise all fram products simply because their best filter, costs $10 and a purolator classic which IMHO matches the Fram ultra is only around $5.
So they make you pay MORE money for the better filter, when you can get another brand that is already superior for less.
Fram's OCOD doesn't affect every filter, the fact is, it **COULD** happen. So IMHO again, I don't want to be the one person that could have an issue with an oil filter, when for the same price, I can easily get a Purolator or a Wix.
using the OCOD isn't a bad thing, but cut it open, there aren't as many pleats and the media isn't as dense, so IMHO again, it simply doesn't filter as well as another brand that has a proven track record.
I also wouldn't dare leave that filter in for 7500 miles, which is my oil filter life cutoff, regardless of pleats or brand.
the casing is very weak, my carpal tunnel'd hands can put a decent dent in the casing, but I can't on a wix or purolator.
So it's also a matter of quality and strength.
I also cut most of the oil filters open just to see what's going on. Also to get the extra oil out of the can for recycling.
So IMHO, sorry fram, I'll never use any of your filters, doesn't matter how many youtube video's you put out demonstrating allegedly the extreme oil pressures your machines say, nor you defending the cardboard media that glues the endcaps together. Sorry, your popularity is based upon price and color. before the internet (and BITOG), fram was a high end filter, nobody really knew any better back then though.
So they make you pay MORE money for the better filter, when you can get another brand that is already superior for less.
Fram's OCOD doesn't affect every filter, the fact is, it **COULD** happen. So IMHO again, I don't want to be the one person that could have an issue with an oil filter, when for the same price, I can easily get a Purolator or a Wix.
using the OCOD isn't a bad thing, but cut it open, there aren't as many pleats and the media isn't as dense, so IMHO again, it simply doesn't filter as well as another brand that has a proven track record.
I also wouldn't dare leave that filter in for 7500 miles, which is my oil filter life cutoff, regardless of pleats or brand.
the casing is very weak, my carpal tunnel'd hands can put a decent dent in the casing, but I can't on a wix or purolator.
So it's also a matter of quality and strength.
I also cut most of the oil filters open just to see what's going on. Also to get the extra oil out of the can for recycling.
So IMHO, sorry fram, I'll never use any of your filters, doesn't matter how many youtube video's you put out demonstrating allegedly the extreme oil pressures your machines say, nor you defending the cardboard media that glues the endcaps together. Sorry, your popularity is based upon price and color. before the internet (and BITOG), fram was a high end filter, nobody really knew any better back then though.
Originally Posted By: EricF
I despise all fram products simply because their best filter, costs $10 and a purolator classic which IMHO matches the Fram ultra is only around $5.
The Purolator Classic does not match the FRAM Ultra, which is superior in many ways.
I despise all fram products simply because their best filter, costs $10 and a purolator classic which IMHO matches the Fram ultra is only around $5.
The Purolator Classic does not match the FRAM Ultra, which is superior in many ways.
I love the Classics, use them & their QS, ProLine, and AAP Total Grip clones all the time-but the Ultra is a TOTALLY different filter, the lowest priced 15,000 mile filter out there (just got 4 XG3600s from Meijer, under $7 each with their 15% off Mperks discount).
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: EricF
I despise all fram products simply because their best filter, costs $10 and a purolator classic which IMHO matches the Fram ultra is only around $5.
The Purolator Classic does not match the FRAM Ultra, which is superior in many ways.
I concur.
I like the Puro Classics; have had hundreds of thousands of happy miles with them. Recently ran 10k miles on one with a great UOA and performance.
But they are no match up for the Ultra.
That does not mean everyone "needs" an Ultra; that would be dependent upon the OCI duration more than anything else.
But the OP rant seemed a bit vague, so I suppose anything's open at this point ...
Originally Posted By: EricF
I despise all fram products simply because their best filter, costs $10 and a purolator classic which IMHO matches the Fram ultra is only around $5.
The Purolator Classic does not match the FRAM Ultra, which is superior in many ways.
I concur.
I like the Puro Classics; have had hundreds of thousands of happy miles with them. Recently ran 10k miles on one with a great UOA and performance.
But they are no match up for the Ultra.
That does not mean everyone "needs" an Ultra; that would be dependent upon the OCI duration more than anything else.
But the OP rant seemed a bit vague, so I suppose anything's open at this point ...
I've used lots of S8A's before they went e-core and still use S25's. Never had a problem with them.
I don't think that Fram has bad filters.I'm using one right now but when I cut open cut open their Extra Guard filter the inside does not compare to a Purlator or even a Baldwin brand filter.My big complaint with them is that the housing is very thin compared to others.As long as the housing can stand up to use I have no problem using them.
Originally Posted By: EricF
I despise all fram products simply because their best filter, costs $10 and a purolator classic which IMHO matches the Fram ultra is only around $5.
As others have already said, Fram Ultra>Puro Classic
This really does illustrate what your opinion is based upon.
Originally Posted By: EricF
So IMHO, sorry fram, I'll never use any of your filters, doesn't matter how many youtube video's you put out demonstrating allegedly the extreme oil pressures your machines say, nor you defending the cardboard media that glues the endcaps together. Sorry, your popularity is based upon price and color. before the internet (and BITOG), fram was a high end filter, nobody really knew any better back then though.
Nothing wrong with sticking to your opinion but please stop spreading mis-information.
Originally Posted By: Dually
I don't think that Fram has bad filters.I'm using one right now but when I cut open cut open their Extra Guard filter the inside does not compare to a Purlator or even a Baldwin brand filter.My big complaint with them is that the housing is very thin compared to others.As long as the housing can stand up to use I have no problem using them.
We often do use a lot of visual inspection on these forums but keep in mind most of us are limited to just that, a visual inspection. Visual inspections do not always equate to a certain level of filtration performance. As far as the housing thickness, I've never seen a housing burst on any filter. Even the the $1.50 valuecraft filters I used to use occasionally in 2005 didn't have any problems.
If you want to make a claim, quantify it. But regardless, your still entitled to your opinion.
I despise all fram products simply because their best filter, costs $10 and a purolator classic which IMHO matches the Fram ultra is only around $5.
As others have already said, Fram Ultra>Puro Classic
This really does illustrate what your opinion is based upon.
Originally Posted By: EricF
So IMHO, sorry fram, I'll never use any of your filters, doesn't matter how many youtube video's you put out demonstrating allegedly the extreme oil pressures your machines say, nor you defending the cardboard media that glues the endcaps together. Sorry, your popularity is based upon price and color. before the internet (and BITOG), fram was a high end filter, nobody really knew any better back then though.
Nothing wrong with sticking to your opinion but please stop spreading mis-information.
Originally Posted By: Dually
I don't think that Fram has bad filters.I'm using one right now but when I cut open cut open their Extra Guard filter the inside does not compare to a Purlator or even a Baldwin brand filter.My big complaint with them is that the housing is very thin compared to others.As long as the housing can stand up to use I have no problem using them.
We often do use a lot of visual inspection on these forums but keep in mind most of us are limited to just that, a visual inspection. Visual inspections do not always equate to a certain level of filtration performance. As far as the housing thickness, I've never seen a housing burst on any filter. Even the the $1.50 valuecraft filters I used to use occasionally in 2005 didn't have any problems.
If you want to make a claim, quantify it. But regardless, your still entitled to your opinion.
Originally Posted By: Umibozu
If you want to make a claim, quantify it. But regardless, your still entitled to your opinion.
I am with the Oil Filter Gestapo and there no opinions allowed here, except for mine!
"One filter, One OCI"
If you want to make a claim, quantify it. But regardless, your still entitled to your opinion.
I am with the Oil Filter Gestapo and there no opinions allowed here, except for mine!
"One filter, One OCI"
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Umibozu
If you want to make a claim, quantify it. But regardless, your still entitled to your opinion.
I am with the Oil Filter Gestapo and there no opinions allowed here, except for mine!
"One filter, One OCI"
Several hours of traffic and back roads to get out of Boston on Patriots's Day the Camry's Ultra on a second OCI went over its 15k limit!
Originally Posted By: Umibozu
If you want to make a claim, quantify it. But regardless, your still entitled to your opinion.
I am with the Oil Filter Gestapo and there no opinions allowed here, except for mine!
"One filter, One OCI"
Several hours of traffic and back roads to get out of Boston on Patriots's Day the Camry's Ultra on a second OCI went over its 15k limit!
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Several hours of traffic and back roads to get out of Boston on Patriots's Day the Camry's Ultra on a second OCI went over its 15k limit!
Get that sucker off and cut it open ... post pixs!
Several hours of traffic and back roads to get out of Boston on Patriots's Day the Camry's Ultra on a second OCI went over its 15k limit!
Get that sucker off and cut it open ... post pixs!
Originally Posted By: EricF
So IMHO again, I don't want to be the one person that could have an issue with an oil filter, when for the same price, I can easily get a Purolator or a Wix.
What difference does it make how much the filter cost if it fails? The damage to your engine could be catastrophic regardless of brand.
Or are you trying to say that Purolator or Wix (or any company other than Fram) are immune to failure?
So IMHO again, I don't want to be the one person that could have an issue with an oil filter, when for the same price, I can easily get a Purolator or a Wix.
What difference does it make how much the filter cost if it fails? The damage to your engine could be catastrophic regardless of brand.
Or are you trying to say that Purolator or Wix (or any company other than Fram) are immune to failure?
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Several hours of traffic and back roads to get out of Boston on Patriots's Day the Camry's Ultra on a second OCI went over its 15k limit!
Get that sucker off and cut it open ... post pixs!
OK..I have an idea..a pre-autopsy thread to take requests on what to do to the filter, then make a video???
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Several hours of traffic and back roads to get out of Boston on Patriots's Day the Camry's Ultra on a second OCI went over its 15k limit!
Get that sucker off and cut it open ... post pixs!
OK..I have an idea..a pre-autopsy thread to take requests on what to do to the filter, then make a video???
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Several hours of traffic and back roads to get out of Boston on Patriots's Day the Camry's Ultra on a second OCI went over its 15k limit!
Get that sucker off and cut it open ... post pixs!
OK..I have an idea..a pre-autopsy thread to take requests on what to do to the filter, then make a video???
I have an idea also; Why even take the filter off? Let's see how many OCI's the filter can take before the engine fails. Then you can put my "One filter, One OCI!" theory to rest.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Several hours of traffic and back roads to get out of Boston on Patriots's Day the Camry's Ultra on a second OCI went over its 15k limit!
Get that sucker off and cut it open ... post pixs!
OK..I have an idea..a pre-autopsy thread to take requests on what to do to the filter, then make a video???
I have an idea also; Why even take the filter off? Let's see how many OCI's the filter can take before the engine fails. Then you can put my "One filter, One OCI!" theory to rest.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Several hours of traffic and back roads to get out of Boston on Patriots's Day the Camry's Ultra on a second OCI went over its 15k limit!
Get that sucker off and cut it open ... post pixs!
OK..I have an idea..a pre-autopsy thread to take requests on what to do to the filter, then make a video???
I have an idea also; Why even take the filter off? Let's see how many OCI's the filter can take before the engine fails. Then you can put my "One filter, One OCI!" theory to rest.
It's already gone the rated 15K ... doesn't really matter if it was 1 OCI, or 10 OCIs at 1500 miles each, unless of course it took 10 years to get 15K miles on the vehicle.
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Several hours of traffic and back roads to get out of Boston on Patriots's Day the Camry's Ultra on a second OCI went over its 15k limit!
Get that sucker off and cut it open ... post pixs!
OK..I have an idea..a pre-autopsy thread to take requests on what to do to the filter, then make a video???
I have an idea also; Why even take the filter off? Let's see how many OCI's the filter can take before the engine fails. Then you can put my "One filter, One OCI!" theory to rest.
It's already gone the rated 15K ... doesn't really matter if it was 1 OCI, or 10 OCIs at 1500 miles each, unless of course it took 10 years to get 15K miles on the vehicle.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
It's already gone the rated 15K ... doesn't really matter if it was 1 OCI, or 10 OCIs at 1500 miles each, unless of course it took 10 years to get 15K miles on the vehicle.
True, but lets bury my theory and start something new. If it's good for 15K let's see if it will do 30K, 45K.........I mean if everyone wants to shoot my theory down, let's do some real testing now!
It's already gone the rated 15K ... doesn't really matter if it was 1 OCI, or 10 OCIs at 1500 miles each, unless of course it took 10 years to get 15K miles on the vehicle.
True, but lets bury my theory and start something new. If it's good for 15K let's see if it will do 30K, 45K.........I mean if everyone wants to shoot my theory down, let's do some real testing now!
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