Centric Posi Quiet Ceramic vs Brembo ceramic pads?

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Anyone know if these pads are rated FF or GG? I am currently using Bosch BE923H pads and while they are ok, looking for a bit more bite. Id like to stay with ceramics and previously tried Akebono ceramics and find the Boschs superior. Considering these two for that reason. Id like to stay with ceramics for the low dust and noise. Just looking for a slight increase in bite. I would love to find some GG rated pads to try if they make ceramics with a GG rating. Im willing to trade off slight increase in dust/noise for increase in stopping power. Would you go with centric or brembo and if neither what would you recommend? For car in sig.
 
Originally Posted By: tomcat27
RAYBESTOS EHT923H have a "GG" rating. $33 at RA. I have no experience with them, but would give them a try


I converted my Electra to disc brakes up front and I went with Raybestos "Enhanced Hybrid Technology" pads. I do not really like them very much tbh. They only feel right to me after they have a bit of heat in them and under normal driving conditions this just does not happen. After three or so panic stops from 70mph they feel pretty good but quickly cool back down in my set up.

Despite my car weighing nearly 2.5 tons I cannot get the brakes to fade at all so that's a really big plus. The other plus is they make almost no dust.

noisy (until very warm) in my experience too

If I drove my car more I would probably pick up some cheap old school organic pads (as was recommended by the disc brake kit manufacture btw) or maybe just deal with the noise and get some semi metallic.

The Pathfinder also uses some ceramic pads but are even worse than the Electra. They do not bite nearly as well as the stock semi metallic ones did.

Im not a fan of ceramic pads and much prefer good semi metallics
 
I was very disappointed with the amount of dust using Centric Posi Quiet Ceramic last year. Tossed those in the trash after 8 or 9 months and purchased Carquest Wearever Platinum from AAP using 30% online coupon. YBMV-your brakes may vary.

The older Corollas may be worse but the new ones didn't score well in braking from 60 to 0 in a Motor Trend Comparison Test. It took the longest to stop out of seven cars despite being second lighest car in the group. I'd say you need more bite too if that's the case.
 
The Bendix CT-3 (D923CT) or B&A OE Advics or SEI (0891697) would be 2 I would seriously look at from Rock Auto for this car, I have used both and both were excellent. So not mess around with bedding them in you only end up with squealing brakes.
Don't get hung up on FF, GG, etc. It helps within the same brand to determine which model has better performance but between brand its almost worthless, the amount of overlap is staggering. On other words a top performing FF pad can have the same or better performance as a low end GG pad. Look at the overlap..

 
True the overlap is more down the scale but you can see a GG pad with 0.45 would be no better than a FF pad with 0.45. I would guess a metal GG would probably be better than a ceramic. Look at the percent fade.
 
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I think ceramics work truly best in cars with generously sized brakes. We had a gen 1 mdx and an 08 grand cherokee which both felt great with ceramics. Easy to modulate, intuitive pressure-to-bite feel, and lots of stopping power. On cars with more compact brakes (my tundra, a turbo s60 (not in my sig), they were either anemic or scary). I too have decided for those cars, semi metallic is a better match. Unfortunately, semi-metallic means something different to every mfr, since it's really just an adjustment in ratio with the other binders, etc.. It's gotten to the point where if you veer from oem, you literally have to try several brands/types until you find one you like. It stinks being a little picky about brake performance and feel. Hawk LTS for the tundra, with oem shoes, hands down, period, end of story. I'm still working on the s60. Hawk HPS up front are only ok, kinda like a firm-footed akebono.

-m
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
The Bendix CT-3 (D923CT) or B&A OE Advics or SEI (0891697) would be 2 I would seriously look at from Rock Auto for this car,


Sweet and good to know. Any decent yet affordable rotors that you suggest to go along with them Trav?
 
IMHO The FF/GG line is the only one that matters for the vast majority of users. Anything above GG is getting into the specialty, race and exotic. Anything below FF (including FE and EF) is pretty much substandard (by today's standards, anyway).

Of course the AutoZones and Advance's are full of cheap FE and EF pads, at least where the older OEM specs allow.
 
Originally Posted By: HangFire
Of course the AutoZones and Advance's are full of cheap FE and EF pads, at least where the older OEM specs allow.


Carquest Wearever Platinum from AAP have FF on the pad. So does Wearever Silver.
 
Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Originally Posted By: Trav
The Bendix CT-3 (D923CT) or B&A OE Advics or SEI (0891697) would be 2 I would seriously look at from Rock Auto for this car,


Sweet and good to know. Any decent yet affordable rotors that you suggest to go along with them Trav?


EBC RK7110 is a nice English or USA made rotor and at $36 ea are a good deal.

http://www.shopebcbrakes.com/EBC-RK-Non-Slotted-Rotors/p99679?sku=
 
I've never been happy with Centric pads. I would say Akebono or Advics would be safe bets, if you want to dip your toes into aftermarket pads, I'd had luck with Monroe pads on my cars. Wagners are hit and miss, they do stop good but they don't really fit well in most Japanese applications. I liked Bendix, but I was disappointed with the ones made in China - from looking at stock photos at Rock Auto, I'm thinking Duralast and Bendix pads might come from the same supplier in China.
 
Originally Posted By: HangFire
IMHO The FF/GG line is the only one that matters for the vast majority of users. Anything above GG is getting into the specialty, race and exotic. Anything below FF (including FE and EF) is pretty much substandard (by today's standards, anyway).

Of course the AutoZones and Advance's are full of cheap FE and EF pads, at least where the older OEM specs allow.


Look at the chart a high quality FE and EE pad like the Axxis Metal Masters will out stop almost any FF or GG pad you can buy at AA, AZ, etc. I have used them on BMW and VW cars quite a few times and I can tell you they have a really good bite and no noticeable fade especially in lighter cars. If I put them in car and didn't tell you what they were you would swear its a high end pad, I did when I pulled them out of an E36.

The DOT pad codes are long outdated and not the valuable reference it once was. 0 to over 40% fade (FE) fade is unacceptable, every third world piece of junk in fancy packaging can meet that and gets to put a high letter pad code on the pads.

This is what some guys are saying about Axxis Metal Masters.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=496270

And here they are for a VW, I am not pushing the AMM just pointing out that there are some excellent pads that don't carry a high letter code and may be passed over by those who don't know any better because of it.
If the pads are made in China, India, Brazil, Mexico, etc with low codes (and high letters for that matter) they are probably junk but not always, some companies have opened actual production plants not just outsourced.




 
PosiQuiets are a pad that I use for an "economy" brake job. They work fine, but there are better options.

For what the Brembo pads cost, I would use OE value line pads.
 
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