Hi! I was thinking of trying the new mgmo 0w20 with moly. Since its made for the mazda skyactiv engines (DI) I reckon sonatas would do well on that oil being a DI too. However i was thinking about thickening it up a little bit with Mobil 1 0w-40.However I am not sure if it is safer than mixing tgmo since mazda is not made by exxonmobil (like tgmo and m1)so I am not sure if the additives would be stable or if there is any risk involved.
CATERHAM blend mazda version?
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What makes you think that anyone here knows better.
There may be people that will try it without detailed knowledge of the product but that does not make them any more right or wrong than your best guess!
eddie
There may be people that will try it without detailed knowledge of the product but that does not make them any more right or wrong than your best guess!
eddie
What wrong with OEM recommended grade with appropriate approvals.
Just forget about that xxx blend or whatever that is, just use the recommended oil with the right certification.....
Originally Posted By: virginoil
What wrong with OEM recommended grade with appropriate approvals.
Originally Posted By: wolf_06
Just forget about that xxx blend or whatever that is, just use the recommended oil with the right certification.....
C'mon guys, this is BITOG. You should be arguing about addpack compatibility, VI/VII and the four kinds of lubrication in rare circumstances, not just throwing out boring common sense!
HF
What wrong with OEM recommended grade with appropriate approvals.
Originally Posted By: wolf_06
Just forget about that xxx blend or whatever that is, just use the recommended oil with the right certification.....
C'mon guys, this is BITOG. You should be arguing about addpack compatibility, VI/VII and the four kinds of lubrication in rare circumstances, not just throwing out boring common sense!
HF
Originally Posted By: HangFire
Originally Posted By: virginoil
What wrong with OEM recommended grade with appropriate approvals.
Originally Posted By: wolf_06
Just forget about that xxx blend or whatever that is, just use the recommended oil with the right certification.....
C'mon guys, this is BITOG. You should be arguing about addpack compatibility, VI/VII and the four kinds of lubrication in rare circumstances, not just throwing out boring common sense!
HF
If I wanted the response 'just run the recommended weight' or 'forget about that blending nonsense', I could get that from any old automotive forum. This IS BITOG! We question the 'common sense' thrown at us by the owners manuals that dictate xW-20 in the US/Canada, but xW-30 everywhere else... We question the 'common sense' 3,000 mile oil change. We choose our oils and OCIs based on data and our own driving habits, not by marketing hype.
Originally Posted By: virginoil
What wrong with OEM recommended grade with appropriate approvals.
Originally Posted By: wolf_06
Just forget about that xxx blend or whatever that is, just use the recommended oil with the right certification.....
C'mon guys, this is BITOG. You should be arguing about addpack compatibility, VI/VII and the four kinds of lubrication in rare circumstances, not just throwing out boring common sense!
HF
If I wanted the response 'just run the recommended weight' or 'forget about that blending nonsense', I could get that from any old automotive forum. This IS BITOG! We question the 'common sense' thrown at us by the owners manuals that dictate xW-20 in the US/Canada, but xW-30 everywhere else... We question the 'common sense' 3,000 mile oil change. We choose our oils and OCIs based on data and our own driving habits, not by marketing hype.
Originally Posted By: HangFire
Originally Posted By: virginoil
What wrong with OEM recommended grade with appropriate approvals.
Originally Posted By: wolf_06
Just forget about that xxx blend or whatever that is, just use the recommended oil with the right certification.....
C'mon guys, this is BITOG. You should be arguing about addpack compatibility, VI/VII and the four kinds of lubrication in rare circumstances, not just throwing out boring common sense!
HF
I trust more the product of big oil companies & blenders because they know what there doing, compared to random people doing home made mix in their basement, do what u want but why make things more complicated, its easy, buy the oil, change it, done. Nothing is boring, its just common sens... my two cents.
Originally Posted By: virginoil
What wrong with OEM recommended grade with appropriate approvals.
Originally Posted By: wolf_06
Just forget about that xxx blend or whatever that is, just use the recommended oil with the right certification.....
C'mon guys, this is BITOG. You should be arguing about addpack compatibility, VI/VII and the four kinds of lubrication in rare circumstances, not just throwing out boring common sense!
HF
I trust more the product of big oil companies & blenders because they know what there doing, compared to random people doing home made mix in their basement, do what u want but why make things more complicated, its easy, buy the oil, change it, done. Nothing is boring, its just common sens... my two cents.
Originally Posted By: rikstaker
Hi! I was thinking of trying the new mgmo 0w20 with moly. Since its made for the mazda skyactiv engines (DI) I reckon sonatas would do well on that oil being a DI too. However i was thinking about thickening it up a little bit with Mobil 1 0w-40.However I am not sure if it is safer than mixing tgmo since mazda is not made by exxonmobil (like tgmo and m1)so I am not sure if the additives would be stable or if there is any risk involved.
Mazda Canada carries PetroCan 0W-20 oil that is labelled Mazda - not the US only mgmo 0W20. The PC oil isn't bad, but it is nothing special. Found that out from Caterham after I bought it. Next oil change will be buying TGMO 0W-20 for the Mazda.
Hi! I was thinking of trying the new mgmo 0w20 with moly. Since its made for the mazda skyactiv engines (DI) I reckon sonatas would do well on that oil being a DI too. However i was thinking about thickening it up a little bit with Mobil 1 0w-40.However I am not sure if it is safer than mixing tgmo since mazda is not made by exxonmobil (like tgmo and m1)so I am not sure if the additives would be stable or if there is any risk involved.
Mazda Canada carries PetroCan 0W-20 oil that is labelled Mazda - not the US only mgmo 0W20. The PC oil isn't bad, but it is nothing special. Found that out from Caterham after I bought it. Next oil change will be buying TGMO 0W-20 for the Mazda.
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I trust more the product of big oil companies & blenders because they know what there doing, compared to random people doing home made mix in their basement, do what u want but why make things more complicated, its easy, buy the oil, change it, done. Nothing is boring, its just common sens... my two cents.
I am proud to say I am not one that mixes oil in my basement. Maybe if I put in a dehumidifier down there I might.
Come to think of it, I wouldn't mix down there anyway. I would blend. I generally don't mix oils, but if someone gives me a free quart or two, sure I'll mix it in if its a high quality oil. Then I'll spend twice the amount of the given oil on a used oil analysis just to verify I had no negative effect. Thank goodness for miscibility.
Seeing how high compression those Mazda Skyactiv engines are, and that Mazda engines have great oil pumps (Ive owned a few), a little thicker probably wont hurt a thing, though a used oil analysis should be something you do on your first "thicker" OCI. . The old FS (Pre MZR) engines always ran better with less noise and wear on a slightly thicker oil than recommended. The FS was speced for a heavier oil overseas, but that could have been in part due to a given climate (and CAFE of course).
I say do a before and after used oil analysis and go for it. Keep us posted.
I trust more the product of big oil companies & blenders because they know what there doing, compared to random people doing home made mix in their basement, do what u want but why make things more complicated, its easy, buy the oil, change it, done. Nothing is boring, its just common sens... my two cents.
I am proud to say I am not one that mixes oil in my basement. Maybe if I put in a dehumidifier down there I might.
Seeing how high compression those Mazda Skyactiv engines are, and that Mazda engines have great oil pumps (Ive owned a few), a little thicker probably wont hurt a thing, though a used oil analysis should be something you do on your first "thicker" OCI. . The old FS (Pre MZR) engines always ran better with less noise and wear on a slightly thicker oil than recommended. The FS was speced for a heavier oil overseas, but that could have been in part due to a given climate (and CAFE of course).
I say do a before and after used oil analysis and go for it. Keep us posted.
risktaker, as you know the Idemitsu made MGMO moly 0W-20 is not what Mazda Canada is using but if you can pick some up on a visit to the States plus some Mobil 1 SN 0W-40 (also not available in Canada) that would be a plan.
Don't be concerned about mixing Mobil 1 with the Mazda oil. The amount of Mobil 1 you'll be using is no more than the amount of oil left in an engine after switching from one brand to another and all API oil are miscible. You probably don't need to add any Mobil 1 0W-40 to the light Mazda oil especially for winter use but if you're more comfortable with a slightly higher HTHSV rating that's the way to do it. The idea is just to add a pint or so to raise the operational viscosity closer to that of a 5W-20 plus acquiring a higher HTHSV while retaining the attributes of a much lighter oil on start-up.
The resulting mix is no different simply changing brands
Don't be concerned about mixing Mobil 1 with the Mazda oil. The amount of Mobil 1 you'll be using is no more than the amount of oil left in an engine after switching from one brand to another and all API oil are miscible. You probably don't need to add any Mobil 1 0W-40 to the light Mazda oil especially for winter use but if you're more comfortable with a slightly higher HTHSV rating that's the way to do it. The idea is just to add a pint or so to raise the operational viscosity closer to that of a 5W-20 plus acquiring a higher HTHSV while retaining the attributes of a much lighter oil on start-up.
The resulting mix is no different simply changing brands
Firstly, I get the point of high VI oils and its great for cold places like Canada (why else would Toyota and now Mazda chose a formulation with high VI?) If Hyundai hasnt chosen to go to those lengths to support their engines due to cost constraints doesn't mean I should avoid these oils or blends and just follow 'common sense', wouldnt have come to Bitog for that.
Secondly, I thought about adding Mobil 1 0w40 to thicken up the high temp viscosity as there have been reports on hyundai forums of sonata engines running quieter on 5w30 eventhough hyundai recommends 5w20 and its on the oil cap. I just wanted to have the best of both worlds by mixing those two oils: lighter oil at startup for cold winter starts and thicker at operating temprature for quiet running.
Caterham, I was indeed planning to get the U.S mazda and mobil 1 on my next trip to U.S, and I would probably add a quart to the almost 5qt oil change or perhaps even less due to the winter.
Secondly, I thought about adding Mobil 1 0w40 to thicken up the high temp viscosity as there have been reports on hyundai forums of sonata engines running quieter on 5w30 eventhough hyundai recommends 5w20 and its on the oil cap. I just wanted to have the best of both worlds by mixing those two oils: lighter oil at startup for cold winter starts and thicker at operating temprature for quiet running.
Caterham, I was indeed planning to get the U.S mazda and mobil 1 on my next trip to U.S, and I would probably add a quart to the almost 5qt oil change or perhaps even less due to the winter.
Originally Posted By: wolf_06
Originally Posted By: HangFire
Originally Posted By: virginoil
What wrong with OEM recommended grade with appropriate approvals.
Originally Posted By: wolf_06
Just forget about that xxx blend or whatever that is, just use the recommended oil with the right certification.....
C'mon guys, this is BITOG. You should be arguing about addpack compatibility, VI/VII and the four kinds of lubrication in rare circumstances, not just throwing out boring common sense!
HF
I trust more the product of big oil companies & blenders because they know what there doing, compared to random people doing home made mix in their basement, do what u want but why make things more complicated, its easy, buy the oil, change it, done. Nothing is boring, its just common sens... my two cents.
Boring is good in this instance. Over the years I have seen many discussions of mix this with that to in an effort to create the magic brew since mid 2003 when I first began to surf this site,
After having read and experimented with a number of 5w50's, 5w40's and 5w30's, 5w60, 20w60's in the same engine I am happy to retire to OEM recommendations and OEM approved oils.
Here is wisdom for those who have eyes to read with.
Originally Posted By: HangFire
Originally Posted By: virginoil
What wrong with OEM recommended grade with appropriate approvals.
Originally Posted By: wolf_06
Just forget about that xxx blend or whatever that is, just use the recommended oil with the right certification.....
C'mon guys, this is BITOG. You should be arguing about addpack compatibility, VI/VII and the four kinds of lubrication in rare circumstances, not just throwing out boring common sense!
HF
I trust more the product of big oil companies & blenders because they know what there doing, compared to random people doing home made mix in their basement, do what u want but why make things more complicated, its easy, buy the oil, change it, done. Nothing is boring, its just common sens... my two cents.
Boring is good in this instance. Over the years I have seen many discussions of mix this with that to in an effort to create the magic brew since mid 2003 when I first began to surf this site,
After having read and experimented with a number of 5w50's, 5w40's and 5w30's, 5w60, 20w60's in the same engine I am happy to retire to OEM recommendations and OEM approved oils.
Here is wisdom for those who have eyes to read with.
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