Castrol LL-03 = LL Now? Gold or Black Jug Difference?

[kschachn]

We here don't usually just grab a bottle because it says 507 right? There are a lot of different manufactures with different formulations and properties that forum members ask about all the time. WM here I come.....

Why not? What properties would you look at that would indicate that one oil with the same 507 00 approval is better than another? Surely not some Castrol marketing designation.

 

[edyvw]

Valvoline 5W30 XLIII which has MB229.52 in addition to VW 504.00/507.00 goes $78 for 3X5qt at Amazon.

 

[kschachn]

Valvoline 5W30 XLIII which has MB229.52 in addition to VW 504.00/507.00 goes $78 for 3X5qt at Amazon.

I had forgotten about that and just ordered a box for my Tiguan. Thanks for the reminder!

 

[Luftmasse]

Valvoline 5W30 XLIII which has MB229.52 in addition to VW 504.00/507.00 goes $78 for 3X5qt at Amazon.

I had forgotten about that and just ordered a box for my Tiguan. Thanks for the reminder!

Just curious, for his Tiguan, what is soo special about the Valvoline 5W30 XLIII vs the Castrol Edge 5W30 LL? If they both have the approval VW 504.00/507.00? Castrol is also cheaper.

 

[edyvw]

Just curious, for his Tiguan, what is soo special about the Valvoline 5W30 XLIII vs the Castrol Edge 5W30 LL? If they both have the approval VW 504.00/507.00? Castrol is also cheaper.

Has MB229.52 approval which has specific LSPI test. I think 2020 update of VW504.00/507.00 has LSPI test but not 100% sure.
Generally MB approvals are more stringent. You always wanna go with oil that has in addition to approval you need, as many as other approvals bcs. they have all something specific to contribute.

 

[CleanSump]

Just curious, for his Tiguan, what is soo special about the Valvoline 5W30 XLIII vs the Castrol Edge 5W30 LL? If they both have the approval VW 504.00/507.00? Castrol is also cheaper.

As edyvw pointed out, the Valvoline has the 229.52 approval vice the Castrol has 229.51. 229.52 has stricter oxidation and fuel economy requirements. Given the difference in price is margarinal when ordering from Walmart, some might prefer the 229.52.

No typos here, see other threads

 

[Luftmasse]

As edyvw pointed out, the Valvoline has the 229.52 approval vice the Castrol has 229.51. 229.52 has stricter oxidation and fuel economy requirements. Given the difference in price is margarinal when ordering from Walmart, some might prefer the 229.52.

No typos here, see other threads

Thanks for the explanation. I still think VW 504.00 is already a good enough approval, but that's my opinion. It is an oil forum after all.

 

[Luftmasse]

Has MB229.52 approval which has specific LSPI test. I think 2020 update of VW504.00/507.00 has LSPI test but not 100% sure.
Generally MB approvals are more stringent. You always wanna go with oil that has in addition to approval you need, as many as other approvals bcs. they have all something specific to contribute.

Would you think the VW 504.00 is much stringent than the MB229.52? I am looking at the Lubrizol Performance Tool and it shows that.

 

[CleanSump]

Would you think the VW 504.00 is much stringent than the MB229.52? I am looking at the Lubrizol Performance Tool and it shows that.

It seems so. The 504 doesn't seem to be concerned with fuel economy as much as lasting.

 

[Luftmasse]

It seems so. The 504 doesn't seem to be concerned with fuel economy as much as lasting.

Yes. Most people advocate less wear than fuel economy.

 

[edyvw]

Would you think the VW 504.00 is much stringent than the MB229.52? I am looking at the Lubrizol Performance Tool and it shows that.

If you pay attention at Lubrizol you will see that relative performance tool is not designed to compare approvals.
Generally MB approvals are more comprehensive. Does that mean MB wear requirements are not sufficient? Also, is wear requirement difference between VW and MB going to create an issue or lack of LSPI test requirement on VW part?
That is why it is best to get oil that has all these approvals. I would say 99% of oils that have MB229.52 approval have also VW504.00/507.00 so it is not an issue which approval is actually more stringent bcs. all bring something to the table including LL04 hat has by far most stringent oxidation requirement and timing chain guides test.

 

[Luftmasse]

If you pay attention at Lubrizol you will see that relative performance tool is not designed to compare approvals.
Generally MB approvals are more comprehensive. Does that mean MB wear requirements are not sufficient? Also, is wear requirement difference between VW and MB going to create an issue or lack of LSPI test requirement on VW part?
That is why it is best to get oil that has all these approvals. I would say 99% of oils that have MB229.52 approval have also VW504.00/507.00 so it is not an issue which approval is actually more stringent bcs. all bring something to the table including LL04 hat has by far most stringent oxidation requirement and timing chain guides test.

99% is quite high. Castrol Edge 5W30 LL has MB229.51.

I was under the impression VW 504.00/VW 507.0 focused more on wear and oxidation from the Lubrizol Tool. But as you stated, it is not valid to compare with other specs.

But thanks for the explaination.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Would you think the VW 504.00 is much stringent than the MB229.52? I am looking at the Lubrizol Performance Tool and it shows that.

It seems so. The 504 doesn't seem to be concerned with fuel economy as much as lasting.

Remember the Lubrizol tool does NOT measure performance across OEM's. (ex. 504 vs 229.52)

 

[edyvw]

99% is quite high. Castrol Edge 5W30 LL has MB229.51.

I was under the impression VW 504.00/VW 507.0 focused more on wear and oxidation from the Lubrizol Tool. But as you stated, it is not valid to compare with other specs.

But thanks for the explaination.

I said 99% of oils that have MB229.52 have VW504.00/507.00 not other way around.
I should be more specific: oils in 0/5W30 grade as VW504.00/507.00 are only 0/5W30 oils while MB229.52 could be also 0/5W40 oils.
This is actually where problem with comparing wear is. By your theory Castrol 5W30 LL is going to have better wear protection than XW40 oil having MB229.52. For example Motul X-Clean 5W40 GEN2 has MB229.52 and HTHS of 3.9.

 

[edyvw]

Remember the Lubrizol tool does NOT measure performance across OEM's. (ex. 504 vs 229.52)

^This!

 

[Luftmasse]

Remember the Lubrizol tool does NOT measure performance across OEM's. (ex. 504 vs 229.52)

I already acknowledge that from the post above.

I said 99% of oils that have MB229.52 have VW504.00/507.00 not other way around.
I should be more specific: oils in 0/5W30 grade as VW504.00/507.00 are only 0/5W30 oils while MB229.52 could be also 0/5W40 oils.
This is actually where problem with comparing wear is. By your theory Castrol 5W30 LL is going to have better wear protection than XW40 oil having MB229.52. For example Motul X-Clean 5W40 GEN2 has MB229.52 and HTHS of 3.9.

Thanks.

 

[Quadrasteer]

Can you substitute (OEM MB) 229.52 for VW/Audi 507, out of warranty? Not counting sales, rebates and special promos, my MB Sprinter dealer sells me the 1L for $6., looks like the old Castrol Pro. LL-03 when it pours out...a beautiful thing.

 

[edyvw]

Can you substitute (OEM MB) 229.52 for VW/Audi 507, out of warranty? Not counting sales, rebates and special promos, my MB Sprinter dealer sells me the 1L for $6., looks like the old Castrol Pro. LL-03 when it pours out...a beautiful thing.

Yeah.

 

[BBDartCA]

Remember the Lubrizol tool does NOT measure performance across OEM's. (ex. 504 vs 229.52)

This is true about the Lubrizol Spec comparator tool. Although the tool is useful, it does not cover all industry and OEM unique spec requirements, which are numerous. Such as intake/exh cam wear, bore polish, turbo deposits, ring stick, soot indiced wear, contamination induced wear, oxidation stability and so on. There can be easily 50 parameters lab tested in a lubricant approval review. Plus elastomer compatibility tests and a bench spec review. The devil is in the details.