You dont see valvoline or catrol with a 15,000 mile oil, do you??? BTW, just in case anyone decides to play that i'm a stubborn m1 user, there are three 5 gal jugs of synpower in the garage. =)
Castrol EDGE 8 X better Wear Protection than Mobil
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Originally Posted By: rangerfan24
You dont see valvoline or catrol with a 15,000 mile oil, do you???
What do you mean? Castrol EDGE is a 15,000 mile oil. That is why they launched it.
You dont see valvoline or catrol with a 15,000 mile oil, do you???
What do you mean? Castrol EDGE is a 15,000 mile oil. That is why they launched it.
Originally Posted By: JAG
If the Gold used Group III in place of the PAO that was in the Green, the volatility would have changed
Well, the specs, they say otherwise.
If the Gold used Group III in place of the PAO that was in the Green, the volatility would have changed
Well, the specs, they say otherwise.
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Here are the Material Safety Data Sheets for the Grades they are producing right now. Also a product spec sheet.
5W30
http://www.castroledgeusa.com/assets/pdf/Edge 5W-30_MSDS_1.15.09.pdf
10W30
http://www.castroledgeusa.com/assets/pdf/Edge 10W-30_MSDS_1.15.09.pdf
Product Spec Sheet
http://www.castroledgeusa.com/assets/pdf/Edge 5W-30 and 10W-30_PDS.pdf
5W30
http://www.castroledgeusa.com/assets/pdf/Edge 5W-30_MSDS_1.15.09.pdf
10W30
http://www.castroledgeusa.com/assets/pdf/Edge 10W-30_MSDS_1.15.09.pdf
Product Spec Sheet
http://www.castroledgeusa.com/assets/pdf/Edge 5W-30 and 10W-30_PDS.pdf
Originally Posted By: rangerfan24
Notice, they have not attacked mobil 1 extended performance. Just the regular M1. My guess is extended performance far surpasses either castrol or synpower. However. Its oil. This is like arguing bout who's underwear is i better. Mines polyester and lasts longer. Yours is cotton and softer. Its preferance as to which underwear you like better.
Prediction: In a month there will be a sticker on Mobil bottles saying it cleans 300X better than castrol and syntec or some b/s.
Check here:
http://www.castroledgeusa.com/#/faq
Actually Castrol did test against M1 Extended Performance and Castrol Edge beat it in Sequence IVA. They also tested against Valvoline Synpower and Royal Purple.
Their main target though is M1 5w-30 which apparently did the worst of all the oils tested, hence the claim that Castrol Edge beats M1 5w-30 by 8x.
Notice, they have not attacked mobil 1 extended performance. Just the regular M1. My guess is extended performance far surpasses either castrol or synpower. However. Its oil. This is like arguing bout who's underwear is i better. Mines polyester and lasts longer. Yours is cotton and softer. Its preferance as to which underwear you like better.
Prediction: In a month there will be a sticker on Mobil bottles saying it cleans 300X better than castrol and syntec or some b/s.
Check here:
http://www.castroledgeusa.com/#/faq
Actually Castrol did test against M1 Extended Performance and Castrol Edge beat it in Sequence IVA. They also tested against Valvoline Synpower and Royal Purple.
Their main target though is M1 5w-30 which apparently did the worst of all the oils tested, hence the claim that Castrol Edge beats M1 5w-30 by 8x.
Originally Posted By: Bobert
Their main target though is M1 5w-30 which apparently did the worst of all the oils tested, hence the claim that Castrol Edge beats M1 5w-30 by 8x.
Does anyone know what the most "specified" grade oil is for cars and light trucks made in the last 5 years? For example, are most passenger cars makers now recommending 5W-20 but many people are just still using 5W-30 instead of 5W-20?
Their main target though is M1 5w-30 which apparently did the worst of all the oils tested, hence the claim that Castrol Edge beats M1 5w-30 by 8x.
Does anyone know what the most "specified" grade oil is for cars and light trucks made in the last 5 years? For example, are most passenger cars makers now recommending 5W-20 but many people are just still using 5W-30 instead of 5W-20?
I thought I read somewhere that 10W30 was still the most widely used oil.
Castrol definitely went out of their way to (dip)stick it to Mobil this time.
I'm just thinking... since sequence IVA test assumes low rpms (800-1500) and low operating temps (50-55C), will Mobil swing back saying that such conditions are not too relevant to typical daily driving and instead provide results from some other tests that measure wear under those other conditions, hopefully showing that M1 is better in that department? What test would they show?
But eventually, Mobil just needs to get back to the drawing board and come up with a new/improved version of M1 5w-30 in order to shut Castrol up.
I'm just thinking... since sequence IVA test assumes low rpms (800-1500) and low operating temps (50-55C), will Mobil swing back saying that such conditions are not too relevant to typical daily driving and instead provide results from some other tests that measure wear under those other conditions, hopefully showing that M1 is better in that department? What test would they show?
But eventually, Mobil just needs to get back to the drawing board and come up with a new/improved version of M1 5w-30 in order to shut Castrol up.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Castrol definitely went out of their way to (dip)stick it to Mobil this time.
I'm just thinking... since sequence IVA test assumes low rpms (800-1500) and low operating temps (50-55C), will Mobil swing back saying that such conditions are not too relevant to typical daily driving and instead provide results from some other tests that measure wear under those other conditions, hopefully showing that M1 is better in that department? What test would they show?.
I said that right away when Ashland came out with those claims. I've done some more searching on the Seq IVA test. It is designed to simulate a lifetime of stop and go, warm-up, repeated cold-start conditions. So the point of this test not quite being applicable to driving down the road at 70 mph with higher oil pressures probably would be somewhat valid.
One thing I will add to the discussion, if you look closely at the graph, it appears that the Mobil starts falling off (performance-wise) after 25 hours. I wonder if this is partially due to suspension properties of M1 along with the aromatics concern brought up by Terry Dyson a while ago.
Castrol definitely went out of their way to (dip)stick it to Mobil this time.
I'm just thinking... since sequence IVA test assumes low rpms (800-1500) and low operating temps (50-55C), will Mobil swing back saying that such conditions are not too relevant to typical daily driving and instead provide results from some other tests that measure wear under those other conditions, hopefully showing that M1 is better in that department? What test would they show?.
I said that right away when Ashland came out with those claims. I've done some more searching on the Seq IVA test. It is designed to simulate a lifetime of stop and go, warm-up, repeated cold-start conditions. So the point of this test not quite being applicable to driving down the road at 70 mph with higher oil pressures probably would be somewhat valid.
One thing I will add to the discussion, if you look closely at the graph, it appears that the Mobil starts falling off (performance-wise) after 25 hours. I wonder if this is partially due to suspension properties of M1 along with the aromatics concern brought up by Terry Dyson a while ago.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Castrol definitely went out of their way to (dip)stick it to Mobil this time.
I'm just thinking... since sequence IVA test assumes low rpms (800-1500) and low operating temps (50-55C), will Mobil swing back saying that such conditions are not too relevant to typical daily driving and instead provide results from some other tests that measure wear under those other conditions, hopefully showing that M1 is better in that department? What test would they show?
There are other oils on the shelf that passed the same sequence IVA test. M1 5W-30 should not be exempt from passing this fundamental API SM /ILSAC GF-4 test, no matter how irrelevant the test is to actual wear.
Castrol definitely went out of their way to (dip)stick it to Mobil this time.
I'm just thinking... since sequence IVA test assumes low rpms (800-1500) and low operating temps (50-55C), will Mobil swing back saying that such conditions are not too relevant to typical daily driving and instead provide results from some other tests that measure wear under those other conditions, hopefully showing that M1 is better in that department? What test would they show?
There are other oils on the shelf that passed the same sequence IVA test. M1 5W-30 should not be exempt from passing this fundamental API SM /ILSAC GF-4 test, no matter how irrelevant the test is to actual wear.
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All those years of publicly wondering why Mobil-1 so often shows elevated Fe number is UOAs finally comes to a conclusion.
Score:
1 for open minded skeptics
0 for slavish devotion to Corporate Brands.
All of the oil and car companies weighed in, at length, on the set of tests and limits which defined GF-4. None of them claimed Sequence IV was irrelevant.
Score:
1 for open minded skeptics
0 for slavish devotion to Corporate Brands.
All of the oil and car companies weighed in, at length, on the set of tests and limits which defined GF-4. None of them claimed Sequence IV was irrelevant.
They actually showed some wear tests results for a change in the link.
Here was another link that explained the test: http://www.castroledgeusa.com/#/why-upgrade/test
Here was another link that explained the test: http://www.castroledgeusa.com/#/why-upgrade/test
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
reformulating the cheapest possible base concoction they can get away with semantically...
The same can now be said of Exxonmobil and Mobil 1. They're way down in the weeds now with their wording. They used to state exclusively that Mobil 1 was PAO. Not anymore!
Well, someone stated that they did say M1 is primarily PAO on the phone. And more than a few here "in the know" believe that M1 is still PAO, for better or worse.
And it's pretty clear that they want us to pay $8 a quart for something that is clearly very different from its Euro counterpart...
I'll believe Tom and Bruce any day over "people in the know" here (gee, I wonder who that could be
), and especially over some goon who awnsers the phone for Exxon.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
reformulating the cheapest possible base concoction they can get away with semantically...
The same can now be said of Exxonmobil and Mobil 1. They're way down in the weeds now with their wording. They used to state exclusively that Mobil 1 was PAO. Not anymore!
Well, someone stated that they did say M1 is primarily PAO on the phone. And more than a few here "in the know" believe that M1 is still PAO, for better or worse.
And it's pretty clear that they want us to pay $8 a quart for something that is clearly very different from its Euro counterpart...
I'll believe Tom and Bruce any day over "people in the know" here (gee, I wonder who that could be
Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: JAG
No, what I want to know is the TBN of these oils since they claim the 15K mile thing. So does M1 EP which does not have enough TBN to go that distance most of the time. Wonder if it will be better with Edge. I doubt it but we'll see.
I was thinking the same thing. I'd want at least a min Tbn of 11-12.
LOL. I love seeing my posts duplicated without being responded to. Guess people don't always read the whole thread...
The specs were posted maybe 10 pages back, and I commented that I thought a TBN of 6.6 (for the 0W-30 IIRC) seemed pretty [censored] low to be a 15k oil. Discuss.
Originally Posted By: JAG
No, what I want to know is the TBN of these oils since they claim the 15K mile thing. So does M1 EP which does not have enough TBN to go that distance most of the time. Wonder if it will be better with Edge. I doubt it but we'll see.
I was thinking the same thing. I'd want at least a min Tbn of 11-12.
LOL. I love seeing my posts duplicated without being responded to. Guess people don't always read the whole thread...
The specs were posted maybe 10 pages back, and I commented that I thought a TBN of 6.6 (for the 0W-30 IIRC) seemed pretty [censored] low to be a 15k oil. Discuss.
Beerlube, I did discuss that earlier. Additionally, the TBN of the U.S. Edge oils is not on the PDS.
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Don't give me sheit. I'm liable to throw it right back at ya but I'll let it slide this time. You may be a good guy who woke up on the wrong side of the bed...it happens.
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
reformulating the cheapest possible base concoction they can get away with semantically...
The same can now be said of Exxonmobil and Mobil 1. They're way down in the weeds now with their wording. They used to state exclusively that Mobil 1 was PAO. Not anymore!
Well, someone stated that they did say M1 is primarily PAO on the phone. And more than a few here "in the know" believe that M1 is still PAO, for better or worse.
And it's pretty clear that they want us to pay $8 a quart for something that is clearly very different from its Euro counterpart...
I'll believe Tom and Bruce any day over "people in the know" here (gee, I wonder who that could be
), and especially over some goon who awnsers the phone for Exxon.
Are you talking about Doug? Because I hope not.....
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
reformulating the cheapest possible base concoction they can get away with semantically...
The same can now be said of Exxonmobil and Mobil 1. They're way down in the weeds now with their wording. They used to state exclusively that Mobil 1 was PAO. Not anymore!
Well, someone stated that they did say M1 is primarily PAO on the phone. And more than a few here "in the know" believe that M1 is still PAO, for better or worse.
And it's pretty clear that they want us to pay $8 a quart for something that is clearly very different from its Euro counterpart...
I'll believe Tom and Bruce any day over "people in the know" here (gee, I wonder who that could be
Are you talking about Doug? Because I hope not.....
Nope.
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Nope.
K, just making sure.
Nope.
K, just making sure.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Nope.
You don't mind if I answer posts addressed to me, do you?
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You don't mind if I answer posts addressed to me, do you?
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