Castrol EDGE 8 X better Wear Protection than Mobil
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for people that mention M1 being used in 24hr endoro races, isnt the extra wear from M1 being measured during cold starts? I thought that was what the test covered. I may be wrong, just something I heard about how Ashland claimed their 4X better claim. They had better start-up wear results....4x better
So I want to see the Castrol ad that says it is 2X better then Valvoline...
Also I wonder if it is group 3 like Syntec or Group 4/5?
Originally Posted By: DragRace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ8uzFwpTkw
Castrol Edge commercial I found,pretty cool!
On XM Radio.... ESPN is running a TON of Castrol ads saying "Watch for our SuperBowl Ad"... I wonder if this was it... nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ8uzFwpTkw
Castrol Edge commercial I found,pretty cool!
On XM Radio.... ESPN is running a TON of Castrol ads saying "Watch for our SuperBowl Ad"... I wonder if this was it... nice.
I am running the Edge 10w30. Waiting for my oil kits to come in so that I can get a VOA.
Um, advertising claims are pretty silly. After all, how well did Ashland fare in the other tests they aren't telling us about?
The only "tests" I take more with a grain of salt are ones done by the likes of Consumer Reports. And I think even they have plenty of issues with biases...
Castrol would have a lot more credibility with me if they used some of that huge ad revenue they're sending NBC to bring a single formulation of Edge to US markets rather than reformulating the cheapest possible base concoction they can get away with semantically...
The only "tests" I take more with a grain of salt are ones done by the likes of Consumer Reports. And I think even they have plenty of issues with biases...
Castrol would have a lot more credibility with me if they used some of that huge ad revenue they're sending NBC to bring a single formulation of Edge to US markets rather than reformulating the cheapest possible base concoction they can get away with semantically...
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Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Castrol would have a lot more credibility with me if they used some of that huge ad revenue they're sending NBC to bring a single formulation of Edge to US markets rather than reformulating the cheapest possible base concoction they can get away with semantically...
Uhh, US markets call for a different formulation. You've been around long enough to know that.
What's your reference material on "cheapest possible basestocks" anyway?
Castrol would have a lot more credibility with me if they used some of that huge ad revenue they're sending NBC to bring a single formulation of Edge to US markets rather than reformulating the cheapest possible base concoction they can get away with semantically...
Uhh, US markets call for a different formulation. You've been around long enough to know that.
What's your reference material on "cheapest possible basestocks" anyway?
Originally Posted By: buster
This should silence those that doubted Ashland's claim.
Indeed
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This should silence those that doubted Ashland's claim.
Indeed
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Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
reformulating the cheapest possible base concoction they can get away with semantically...
The same can now be said of Exxonmobil and Mobil 1. They're way down in the weeds now with their wording. They used to state exclusively that Mobil 1 was PAO. Not anymore!
reformulating the cheapest possible base concoction they can get away with semantically...
The same can now be said of Exxonmobil and Mobil 1. They're way down in the weeds now with their wording. They used to state exclusively that Mobil 1 was PAO. Not anymore!
These are all Group IV synthetics due to the label requirements in Europe correct? I mean to say we can accept this as fact?
EDGE 0W-30 pour point = -54C: http://datasheets.bp.com/bpglis/lubtds.n...01?OpenDocument
EDGE
0W-40 Sport pour point = -60C: http://datasheets.bp.com/bpglis/lubtds.n...70?OpenDocument
EDGE 10W-60 pour point = -51C: http://datasheets.bp.com/bpglis/lubtds.n...71?OpenDocument
In regard to the the pour points, do we know of any non Group IV based synthetics that hit the -50C threshold? Which ones?
The pour point of EDGE 10W-60 is -51C that's lower than Pennzoil Platinum's entire product line:
http://www.pzlqs.com/Tech/Pdsheet/DomesticMarketing/EngineOils/Pdf/PlatinumFullSyntheticMotorOil.pdf
That's pretty incredible.
EDGE 0W-30 pour point = -54C: http://datasheets.bp.com/bpglis/lubtds.n...01?OpenDocument
EDGE
0W-40 Sport pour point = -60C: http://datasheets.bp.com/bpglis/lubtds.n...70?OpenDocument
EDGE 10W-60 pour point = -51C: http://datasheets.bp.com/bpglis/lubtds.n...71?OpenDocument
In regard to the the pour points, do we know of any non Group IV based synthetics that hit the -50C threshold? Which ones?
The pour point of EDGE 10W-60 is -51C that's lower than Pennzoil Platinum's entire product line:
http://www.pzlqs.com/Tech/Pdsheet/DomesticMarketing/EngineOils/Pdf/PlatinumFullSyntheticMotorOil.pdf
That's pretty incredible.
I'll buy it if it on sale and cheap, just like M1, PP, Synpower, Kendall or any other synthetic. I just can't get wrapped up in brand loyalty when it comes to synthetic oil. They're all pretty good.
Aint progress great?
Question... Starting TBN of Edge Sport 0W-40 is only 6.6... But this is advertised as a 15k OCI lube? I'm no tribologist (probably didn't even spell it right), but this sounds a bit low to me for 15k mi.
For my Mazdaspeed 3, I'm interested in the 0W-30 Sport, but not for $7.99/qt. I'll probably stick to PP for a while until there are some UOA's on this in DISI engines.
Question... Starting TBN of Edge Sport 0W-40 is only 6.6... But this is advertised as a 15k OCI lube? I'm no tribologist (probably didn't even spell it right), but this sounds a bit low to me for 15k mi.
For my Mazdaspeed 3, I'm interested in the 0W-30 Sport, but not for $7.99/qt. I'll probably stick to PP for a while until there are some UOA's on this in DISI engines.
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
These are all Group IV synthetics due to the label requirements in Europe correct? I mean to say we can accept this as fact?
It used to be that way in Europe some years ago. Not any more.
These are all Group IV synthetics due to the label requirements in Europe correct? I mean to say we can accept this as fact?
It used to be that way in Europe some years ago. Not any more.
Castrol won't reveal what base oils they use and they don't provide enough product data sheet info to really even make a good guess. What makes up the base oils being used really shouldn't matter but I understand the urge to know. lol
With Amsoil, you can tell they use PAO/Ester blends as their Noack volatility is always very low (6-8%). This is a good indication of base oil type.
With Amsoil, you can tell they use PAO/Ester blends as their Noack volatility is always very low (6-8%). This is a good indication of base oil type.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
These are all Group IV synthetics due to the label requirements in Europe correct? I mean to say we can accept this as fact?
It used to be that way in Europe some years ago. Not any more.
So a product like Pennzoil Platinum can now be marketed as fully synthetic in Europe?
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
These are all Group IV synthetics due to the label requirements in Europe correct? I mean to say we can accept this as fact?
It used to be that way in Europe some years ago. Not any more.
So a product like Pennzoil Platinum can now be marketed as fully synthetic in Europe?
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
So a product like Pennzoil Platinum can now be marketed as fully synthetic in Europe?
It can. I don't think Pennzoil brand is actually available in most of Europe though. They sell their stuff under the Quaker brand there, and Shell, obviously. Valvoline which is group 3 is also widely sold there.
If I'm not mistaken, Castrol was the first to pull their switch-a-roo over there... some lab had their 10w-60 analyzed, once in 2003, and then again in 2005. It was concluded that the 2003 batch was group 4, while the 2005 batch was group 3.
So a product like Pennzoil Platinum can now be marketed as fully synthetic in Europe?
It can. I don't think Pennzoil brand is actually available in most of Europe though. They sell their stuff under the Quaker brand there, and Shell, obviously. Valvoline which is group 3 is also widely sold there.
If I'm not mistaken, Castrol was the first to pull their switch-a-roo over there... some lab had their 10w-60 analyzed, once in 2003, and then again in 2005. It was concluded that the 2003 batch was group 4, while the 2005 batch was group 3.
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