cars with no gas caps

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Originally Posted By: Nick R
This is just one of the things that I DO NOT understand. What is the POINT of this? Are people THAT LAZY that they can't unscrew a gas cap? Am I missing something huge here or what? I just don't understand what this is for. *Shakes head* Let alone that someone would pay extra for it!


This!
 
Meh. My new Mustang has the Easy-Fill thingie and it seems to work well. Never had a problem with using a locking cap on my other vehicles either, so it's a moot "feature" for me. The mechanism looks fairly robust, but time will tell.

There is a rubber gasket on the body filler door that seals against the actual filler neck to keep out water and dirt. If the "Stang was a daily driver and/or parked outside I would invest in the available locking plug that Ford offers though.

Easy Fuel™ “no cap” Fuel Filler

Seems Ford first developed the no-cap system in Europe to prevent mis-fueling of diesel cars with gasoline.

Ford’s Easy Fuel System Takes The Guesswork Out Of Filling Up
 
I want to be that engineer who sold this concept to Ford. In this business a penny saved amounts to huge $$$ profit to the manufacturer. How in the world he convinced them to go for an expensive solution to a non-problem?

- Vikas
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
I want to be that engineer who sold this concept to Ford. In this business a penny saved amounts to huge $$$ profit to the manufacturer. How in the world he convinced them to go for an expensive solution to a non-problem?

- Vikas


As the 2nd link in my previous post indicated, Ford (and other mfg's.) have a problem in Europe with people mistakingly putting gasoline in quiet-running diesel cars. The Easy-Fuel prevents the skinng gas nozzle from releasing the flap. Ford is globalizing product, so one filler-system for all countries.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew2000
Originally Posted By: Vikas
I want to be that engineer who sold this concept to Ford. In this business a penny saved amounts to huge $$$ profit to the manufacturer. How in the world he convinced them to go for an expensive solution to a non-problem?

- Vikas


As the 2nd link in my previous post indicated, Ford (and other mfg's.) have a problem in Europe with people mistakingly putting gasoline in quiet-running diesel cars. The Easy-Fuel prevents the skinng gas nozzle from releasing the flap. Ford is globalizing product, so one filler-system for all countries.


Lol hopefully that will save the americans that go to europe and put gasoline in the diesel car because they had no idea that diesel was even used over there.
 
I don't know why you guys are so agast at Ford's gas cap. I have one on my new '11 Milan and I love it! Just one less irritation in life to have to remove the gas cap with one hand, transfer the fuel filler nozzel back to the other hand, then remember to put the cap back on while holding a dripping fuel nozzel in my hand. When you have arthritis, anything reducing any turning/tightening motions is a godsend.
 
I can see the benefits and the annoyances this creates.

I wonder what the non-warranty cost is, parts and labor, to fix this? It should be covered 8 years 80K like any other emissions component, but what about after that? Wonder if the 2011 Explorer has this? That's my wife's new truck when she has the cash for one. Thinking May or so for that purchase. Anything is better than filling the Durango. Something's wrong with it. You go to pump gas and it keeps shutting off. No gas station around here has a low enough click setting to keep it from doing so. I have to manually pump at the slowest possible delivery rate. Takes me as long to pump $10 (4 gallons or so) into the Durango as it does for me to fill the tank of the Torino (26 gallons) from empty.
 
My Mom's 99 Grand Cherokee has the same issue as your Durango. It's something about the fuel filler hose routing conflicting with certain pumps. With her Jeep, I've found certain pumps will kick every 1/2 gallon or so unless you feed really slowly, with some, you can lock it on full and the gauge is pegged out when it kicks.
 
Originally Posted By: rslifkin
My Mom's 99 Grand Cherokee has the same issue as your Durango. It's something about the fuel filler hose routing conflicting with certain pumps. With her Jeep, I've found certain pumps will kick every 1/2 gallon or so unless you feed really slowly, with some, you can lock it on full and the gauge is pegged out when it kicks.


This has happened at every single gas pump in every town at every angle since we got the truck*. The filler hose doesn't appear to be kinked. Our mechanic claims it's a rollover valve, and that he'd have to pull the tank to check it. So we're waiting for the fuel pump to die before we bother with it.

*I will say I did find ONE gas pump that doesn't do it, but it's because their vapor return system was broken and it was spitting only a little bit back out but it put in a full tank in the time it normally takes me to do $10 worth. Oddly enough, that was merely a few days ago at the Murphy USA we almost always buy gas from. I mentioned it to them and they said it should be fixed by Thursday (tomorrow) so I plan to do a fill up tomorrow to see if it's still broken. It was nice not to stand there and hold the handle the whole time for once.
 
Originally Posted By: occupant
Originally Posted By: rslifkin
My Mom's 99 Grand Cherokee has the same issue as your Durango. It's something about the fuel filler hose routing conflicting with certain pumps. With her Jeep, I've found certain pumps will kick every 1/2 gallon or so unless you feed really slowly, with some, you can lock it on full and the gauge is pegged out when it kicks.


This has happened at every single gas pump in every town at every angle since we got the truck*. The filler hose doesn't appear to be kinked. Our mechanic claims it's a rollover valve, and that he'd have to pull the tank to check it. So we're waiting for the fuel pump to die before we bother with it.

*I will say I did find ONE gas pump that doesn't do it, but it's because their vapor return system was broken and it was spitting only a little bit back out but it put in a full tank in the time it normally takes me to do $10 worth. Oddly enough, that was merely a few days ago at the Murphy USA we almost always buy gas from. I mentioned it to them and they said it should be fixed by Thursday (tomorrow) so I plan to do a fill up tomorrow to see if it's still broken. It was nice not to stand there and hold the handle the whole time for once.


Spoiled. Up here in NY there those latches are illegal- you have to hold the handle 100% of the time if you want gas to goo in teh car.
 
It could be the rollover valve. It's definitely something in the design that causes excessive vapor kick-back, which makes the pump think the tank is full and shut off.
 
Originally Posted By: Beachboy
I don't know why you guys are so agast at Ford's gas cap. I have one on my new '11 Milan and I love it! Just one less irritation in life to have to remove the gas cap with one hand, transfer the fuel filler nozzel back to the other hand, then remember to put the cap back on while holding a dripping fuel nozzel in my hand. When you have arthritis, anything reducing any turning/tightening motions is a godsend.

I swear I'm not trying to be an @ss, but...

Why not unscrew the cap, remove the nozzle from the pump and insert it into the filler tube, pump fuel, remove the nozzle from the filler tube and replace it onto the pump, then screw the cap back into place? All while using the hand you prefer to use? This eliminates the irritations you've cited, simply by organizing the steps in a logical order.

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I remember hearing when this first came out that it would reduce the amount of fuel lost to vapour out of the fill nozzle by a small %.

Also the fuel door seals to the body unlike the old style fuel doors. Not the best system for preventing dirt egress but its not as bad as some people on here are implying that have actually not seen the system.
 
Originally Posted By: Duffman77
Also the fuel door seals to the body unlike the old style fuel doors. Not the best system for preventing dirt egress but its not as bad as some people on here are implying that have actually not seen the system.

Check out the grit inside the fuel door, in the picture in post #5...
 
Originally Posted By: rshunter
Check out the grit inside the fuel door, in the picture in post #5...


Wonder what year that is?? My '11 Mustang has a different gasket, it's on the center of the door and seals over the capless filler spout. No perimiter gasket like the photo.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew2000
Originally Posted By: rshunter
Check out the grit inside the fuel door, in the picture in post #5...


Wonder what year that is?? My '11 Mustang has a different gasket, it's on the center of the door and seals over the capless filler spout. No perimiter gasket like the photo.

He says it's a 2010 Fusion.
 
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