Can you compare Mobil 1 5w-30 EP to Mobil1 5w-30 ESP?

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So as the title indicates, can you compare the Mobil 1 5w30 EP and ESP oils? Is there a clear winner or "better" of the two? Is it attempting to comparing apples and oranges? If there is a "winner", if the difference marginal ? The price point of both oils is basically the same, so that part is removed from the equation.


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So as the title indicates, can you compare the Mobil 1 5w30 EP and ESP oils? Is there a clear winner or "better" of the two? Is it attempting to comparing apples and oranges? If there is a "winner", if the difference marginal ? The price point of both oils is basically the same, so that part is removed from the equation.


Thank you!
Yes if you spend thousands on engine testing and tear down.
 
It is my belief that M1 5W-30EP contains at least some AN base stock. By percentage, I can't say, but the pour point reflects this. AN's make great extended drain and high temp oils. AN’s unique chemical properties enhance the effectiveness of additive packages, allowing even modest formulations to perform exceptionally well. AN's superb thermal stability is right for turbocharged engines.

All of us here know it is about impossible to get a handle on the ingredients. So we do our best estimate what's inside, with widely varying opinions. I believe EP has AN in it. Others swear that it is just a Group III oil. Yet Mobil makes the bold claim that the 5W-30EP has 5000x better high temperature performance. (a little joke but they do claim 20x) Mobil references the sequence IIIH test about deposits and oxidation along with how well an oil maintains its viscosity and keeps engine components clean under high-temperature and high-load conditions. That screams AN.

But when we boil it down, the idea that one example of a high quality 5W-30 is significantly better than another is likely to be wrong under normal OCI's. What's more critical is viscosity choice.

I use the EP because it works amazingly well for me. If the 5W-30 is a little shy in viscosity, a move to 10W-30EP is a very minor step up.
 
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It is my belief that M1 5W-30EP contains at least some AN base stock. By percentage, I can't say, but the pour point reflects this. AN's make great extended drain and high temp oils. AN’s unique chemical properties enhance the effectiveness of additive packages, allowing even modest formulations to perform exceptionally well. AN's superb thermal stability is right for turbocharged engines.

All of us here know it is about impossible to get a handle on the ingredients. So we do our best estimate what's inside, with widely varying opinions. I believe EP has AN in it. Others swear that it is just a Group III oil. Yet Mobil makes the bold claim that the 5W-30EP has 5000x better high temperature performance. (a little joke but they do claim 20x) Mobil references the sequence IIIH test about deposits and oxidation along with how well an oil maintains its viscosity and keeps engine components clean under high-temperature and high-load conditions. That screams AN.

But when we boil it down, the idea that one example of a high quality 5W-30 is significantly better than another is likely to be wrong under normal OCI's. What's more critical is viscosity choice.

I use the EP because it works amazingly well for me. If the 5W-30 is a little shy in viscosity, a move to 10W-30EP is a very minor step up.
The PP is very low for the M1 EP 5w30 making me wonder if it does use a good dose of AN. That could be the Cleanliness part they talk about.
 
M1 EP and Truck&SUV indeed have some AN’s! ESP 5W-30 is still a mystery.

Not all oils with the same approvals are the same despite what some believe. Now do you need a better oil is the real question?

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