Can Differential Fluid Viscosity Affect Torsen LSD Engagement ?

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I recall when I had my Honda S2000 the engagement of the differential LSD seemed to be affected by different viscosity fluids I experimented with, it was a bit subtle and mostly noticed when taking wide sweeping curves like highway on-ramps. That car spec'd SAE 90 fluid, we tried 75w90, 75w110, and 75w140 fluids to see how they affected wear, but we also noticed that the differential operation seemed a bit different. I don't know a whole lot about differentials but the Torsen LSD is different that clutch types , and I didn't think it would be affected by fluid viscosity all that much. I now have a new vehicle with the same type of LSD in it, so I am a big curious, we are running 75w90 in it, which is spec'd for 75w85 (Subaru).
 
Hmmm...If I understand it right, a Torsen system is never unengaged, so, aside from just being a bit thicker and more resistive, I'm going to say no.

Thank you for the reply, that gives me some peace of mind, one less thing to be concerned with and I should be okay to run any thickness I think is reasonable then. Thanks.
 
@zeroptzero I have a Torsen ifferential in my Frontier and have never observed any differences between grades 75W85, 75W90, or 75W110.

That is good news, thanks for the reply, then one should be able to run any viscosity that is within reason and not affect operation of the LSD for Torsen units. I think our owner manuals are a bit incorrect as they talk about potential extra noise and vibrations when going from 75w85 to 75w90, I think they are plain wrong on that.
 
That is good news, thanks for the reply, then one should be able to run any viscosity that is within reason and not affect operation of the LSD for Torsen units. I think our owner manuals are a bit incorrect as they talk about potential extra noise and vibrations when going from 75w85 to 75w90, I think they are plain wrong on that.
In a real Torsen, there is no engagement or disengagement of anything. Torsen basically means torque sensing via the gearing. The extra gearing is always in mesh.
 
I recall when I had my Honda S2000 the engagement of the differential LSD seemed to be affected by different viscosity fluids I experimented with, it was a bit subtle and mostly noticed when taking wide sweeping curves like highway on-ramps. That car spec'd SAE 90 fluid, we tried 75w90, 75w110, and 75w140 fluids to see how they affected wear, but we also noticed that the differential operation seemed a bit different. I don't know a whole lot about differentials but the Torsen LSD is different that clutch types , and I didn't think it would be affected by fluid viscosity all that much. I now have a new vehicle with the same type of LSD in it, so I am a big curious, we are running 75w90 in it, which is spec'd for 75w85 (Subaru).
With regard to viscosity, using a 75W-90 in place of a recommended 75W-85 should be fine and it is unlikely you'll find a detectable difference in the performance of the your TorSen differential.

I thought this post might be relevant.

That said, the composition of the lubricant matters:
When using a TorSen or similar helical gear limited slip differential, it is typically best to avoid lubricants that contain the clutch type limited slip additives. The reason for this is the additives are friction modifiers, and the TorSen differential uses friction in the engagement of the gears and the gear bores to create the desired torque bias (though, there are exceptional cases).

This thread is informative
 
With regard to viscosity, using a 75W-90 in place of a recommended 75W-85 should be fine and it is unlikely you'll find a detectable difference in the performance of the your TorSen differential.

I thought this post might be relevant.

That said, the composition of the lubricant matters:
When using a TorSen or similar helical gear limited slip differential, it is typically best to avoid lubricants that contain the clutch type limited slip additives. The reason for this is the additives are friction modifiers, and the TorSen differential uses friction in the engagement of the gears and the gear bores to create the desired torque bias (though, there are exceptional cases).

This thread is informative
Thanks for that added info, my rear differential fluid - Redline 75w90 doesn't have the typical LS additives , so that should be good.
 
@zeroptzero if your Subaru specs 75w85, it is newer than anything I have direct knowledge of. However, back in the day, the Subaru Torsen rear diffs were sealed units, and the gear oil you could change did not affect the Torsen in any way. If the fluid inside the Torsen itself ever failed, well, your Torsen was affected. If the fluid you COULD change got old and tired, replacing it affected the ring and pinion, but not the Torsen itself. Again, I’m not sure if newer Subarus are set up that way. Eaton Torsens share the oil for the entire rear unit (ring, pinion, bearings, and actual differential unit). But back in the day, maybe always, Subaru didn’t use the Eaton design.
 
@zeroptzero if your Subaru specs 75w85, it is newer than anything I have direct knowledge of. However, back in the day, the Subaru Torsen rear diffs were sealed units, and the gear oil you could change did not affect the Torsen in any way. If the fluid inside the Torsen itself ever failed, well, your Torsen was affected. If the fluid you COULD change got old and tired, replacing it affected the ring and pinion, but not the Torsen itself. Again, I’m not sure if newer Subarus are set up that way. Eaton Torsens share the oil for the entire rear unit (ring, pinion, bearings, and actual differential unit). But back in the day, maybe always, Subaru didn’t use the Eaton design.
yes it is a 24 BRZ, it specs 75w85 , it says you can use 75w90 but you may get more vibrations and noise and switch back when you can to 75w85. I am running 75w90 Redline and not switching back as it feels good, no noise or vibrations or any issue.
 
Hmm, interesting. I guess I should get myself more up-to-date. Noise and vibration suggest the oil is shared (like Eaton design). Emphasis on “suggest.” If so, that noise and vibration could be due to friction modifiers, which are near ubiquitous in 75w90’s nowadays. (Lots of threads on this, not just my opinion)…in fact I have no decent opinion, though will avoid FM’s if/when I install a Torsen in my camper van. Those modifiers apparently are to allow usage in clutch-type LSD’s. Your Redline, some Motul’s do not have the FM’s, so might be exempt from the warning. In other words, for emphasis, my interpretation is, it’s not the viscosity that would be a problem, it’s the modifiers a Torsen doesn’t like. FWIW, some Redlines, some Motul’s, and Mobil Delvac do not have the modifiers. Amsoil and HPL do, but some installers / reps claim theirs don’t cause Torsen issues (not pointing at Pablo). Eaton says to stick with mineral-based, without modifiers. GLWT. I have no clue. But FWIW, Motul Gear 300 is “closer to” a 75w85 in thickness than most 75w90’s, has no modifiers, and is a VERY high quality fluid. Subaru (Idemitsu) fluids are also quality, so that might be another safe alternative. That said, I don’t know that their 75w90 is free of “bad”-modifiers. But if they still suggest same fluid for a Subaru stick shift as a rear differential, my “guess” is it is OK for both, as those modifiers don’t play nice in a manual trans either. One clue might be if it is GL4, GL5, or GL4/5. Subaru recommended GL5, but as stated above, many GL5 fluids added friction modifiers. but I am not an expert on new Subarus (maybe not even the older ones), but I think I’ve read they have a different fluid recommendation now for transmissions a differentials…for the few manuals they recently made. Back in the day, they offered an “Extra-S” fluid that worked well enough in both stick-shift front transaxle and rear differential. IE no modifiers. That stuff is gone, and I don’t know how good its replacement is, though replacement was compared to several other high-end differential fluids and performed well…in generic differential fluid testing (not transaxle, not Torsen, not Subaru).

back in the day, there were 2 Redline 75w-90’s, one with modifiers, one without. The internet gurus of the day didn’t like either in the standard transmissions. In a differential with a sealed Torsen unit, it didn’t really matter as much. Times may have changed…from Subaru’s perspective, and from Redline’s. Don’t drain it, but I would consider the Motul Gear 300 next time…or get on the BRZ website and see what those yayhoo’s think. Enough of them are bashing the heck out of their boy-racer sleds, and probably have better insight than me.
 
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Hmm, interesting. I guess I should get myself more up-to-date. Noise and vibration suggest the oil is shared (like Eaton design). Emphasis on “suggest.” If so, that noise and vibration could be due to friction modifiers, which are near ubiquitous in 75w90’s nowadays. (Lots of threads on this, not just my opinion)…in fact I have no decent opinion, though will avoid FM’s if/when I install a Torsen in my camper van. Those modifiers apparently are to allow usage in clutch-type LSD’s. Your Redline, some Motul’s do not have the FM’s, so might be exempt from the warning. In other words, for emphasis, my interpretation is, it’s not the viscosity that would be a problem, it’s the modifiers a Torsen doesn’t like. FWIW, some Redlines, some Motul’s, and Mobil Delvac do not have the modifiers. Amsoil and HPL do, but some installers / reps claim theirs don’t cause Torsen issues (not pointing at Pablo). Eaton says to stick with mineral-based, without modifiers. GLWT. I have no clue. But FWIW, Motul Gear 300 is “closer to” a 75w85 in thickness than most 75w90’s, has no modifiers, and is a VERY high quality fluid. Subaru (Idemitsu) fluids are also quality, so that might be another safe alternative. That said, I don’t know that their 75w90 is free of “bad”-modifiers. But if they still suggest same fluid for a Subaru stick shift as a rear differential, my “guess” is it is OK for both, as those modifiers don’t play nice in a manual trans either. One clue might be if it is GL4, GL5, or GL4/5. Subaru recommended GL5, but as stated above, many GL5 fluids added friction modifiers. but I am not an expert on new Subarus (maybe not even the older ones), but I think I’ve read they have a different fluid recommendation now for transmissions a differentials…for the few manuals they recently made. Back in the day, they offered an “Extra-S” fluid that worked well enough in both stick-shift front transaxle and rear differential. IE no modifiers. That stuff is gone, and I don’t know how good its replacement is, though replacement was compared to several other high-end differential fluids and performed well…in generic differential fluid testing (not transaxle, not Torsen, not Subaru).

back in the day, there were 2 Redline 75w-90’s, one with modifiers, one without. The internet gurus of the day didn’t like either in the standard transmissions. In a differential with a sealed Torsen unit, it didn’t really matter as much. Times may have changed…from Subaru’s perspective, and from Redline’s. Don’t drain it, but I would consider the Motul Gear 300 next time…or get on the BRZ website and see what those yayhoo’s think. Enough of them are bashing the heck out of their boy-racer sleds, and probably have better insight than me.

Yeah I am running the Redline without additives. So far so good. There is also some speculation that the wording in the owner manual was just copied from other Subaru vehicles that have different types of LSD's and which share space with trannies etc. I can't see how going to a 75w90 form 75w85 spec would cause noise or vibrations, the Torsen uses the fluid in the diff and does not have its own fluid. Either way it is running good , I prefer to have the higher viscosity (as slight as it is) and I don't drive the car in winter , so it should be good. Thanks for the added info and replies on this.
 
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