Camry vs Sonata

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Originally Posted By: smc733
Originally Posted By: Leo99

The Camry feels a lot larger than the Corolla and feels a lot faster. My new Camry at 90mph feels like the Corolla at 75mph. If you're in stop and go, the high speed comfort might not matter. I don't think Toyota is making any money off the Camry LE. You could probably squeeze one new for less than $20k or close to it.


This would be helpful. A fair part of my commute is at highway speeds, and I do a fair bit of passing of people who have yet to wake up. I also take trips on the weekends with my wife, and those can be 1-2hrs on the highway. The Corolla is not comfortable on the highway in any fashion.


Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
A 2013 Camry will cost about as much as a brand new one, especially once you factor the interest rates (new car loan rates are lower than used car rates!) But Toyota does make the best cars.

How about a 2012 Accord? Before they used the CVT.

There's also the Malibu, and don't forget the Optima (same car as the Sonata); they're also available with a turbo-4.



The 2012 Accord and a Malibu are both good options. As long as they last me to 150k miles, that is all I ask. I plan on keeping this midsize for a while and taking care of it, longer than I have had this Corolla (4 years last Dec, owned free and clear). But I don't plan on driving it until the wheels completely fall off.

I've sat in a Malibu, and very much liked the fit and finish. They go for fairly cheap, too! I'd prefer to avoid Turbos, though, for TCO purposes.


Off the line, 0-30, the Camry is not quick but once it hits about 4500 rpm, it wants to move. My Corolla engine never liked to rev past 4500, the Camry will go and accelerating from 40 to 80 is night and day compared to the Corolla.
 
Originally Posted By: Leo99

Off the line, 0-30, the Camry is not quick but once it hits about 4500 rpm, it wants to move. My Corolla engine never liked to rev past 4500, the Camry will go and accelerating from 40 to 80 is night and day compared to the Corolla.


Right, and it should be stated I'm not looking to race the car around or anything. The Corolla rides around pleasantly, and can do fine in 0-40 roads ok (but I think the Camry still had a smoother, more effortless acceleration than the Corolla, which revs a little).

The difference is on the highway, the Corolla is completely and utterly gutless, and is laughable when passing even from 65 to 70. I never crack 75, and the Camry felt effortless in this range. I think this is probably a combination of the engine and the 6spd auto (my wife's Elantra is a little better here with a 6spd, but it also has 16 more hp).
 
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Originally Posted By: barkingspider
I have a camry and a prizm.


You really think the 11 MY old Camry and 14 MY old Prism are good comparables to a 20ll Corolla and a 2013&up Camry??

OP, it sounds like you're ready for something you like for the next 110-150K miles rather than a straight-up econobox.
 
Originally Posted By: AZjeff

OP, it sounds like you're ready for something you like for the next 110-150K miles rather than a straight-up econobox.


I'd really be happy with something that accelerates better, rides smoother, and has more room.

The cars I would "like" (a nice V6 sedan), won't get the wife approval, nor would they be good on gas for the commute, sadly
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I already feel guilty trading in with a car so new, so I'm trying to keep the price difference low.
 
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Originally Posted By: barkingspider
I have a camry and a prizm.


You really think the 11 MY old Camry and 14 MY old Prism are good comparables to a 20ll Corolla and a 2013&up Camry??

OP, it sounds like you're ready for something you like for the next 110-150K miles rather than a straight-up econobox.


I pretty much agree, although I drove the 2015 Cruze LT 1.4 turbo (used) and the 2.5 Malibu and ended up buying the Cruze. The Cruze has good legroom, headroom, comfortable seats, acceleration, gas mileage, price used (let someone else eat that depreciation), reliability, 6 speed auto transmission, decent ride/handling and ease of service/parts network as there are a lot of Chevy dealers. I have a 40+ mile one way commute for my part-time job about 3X per week and find the Cruze not lacking in anything. The Malibu is nice if you need the rear legroom.
 
My wife has driven Camry since 2007 and now a 2014. She loves them

The newer ones get really decent MPG. We just did 1500 miles in 3 days and averaged 31.5 MPG and was driving mostly at 80-85 mph. Hard to beat that mileage. I am sure some can beat it but we were comfortable and ride was quiet as well.

Test drive them all before deciding.

And by the way, we have had no maintenance issues or repair bills for the past 9 years with the Camry.
 
i think not only does the Hyundai have by far the best warranty it is a better car these days..Toyota was once the best but not anymore and you get more from the Hyundai for possible a cheaper price.
the 10 year 100,000 mile warranty is a great thing..Toyota has nothing close to that.
As for resale its a tossup the warranty is a big thing these days.
I don't know which one would be better in the crash tests though. Lots of Toyotas have had engine issues lately. Look up Toyota Engine class action lawsuits..Pretty bad.
 
Long warranties are usually an indication of a bad rep in any car.
Toyota doesn't need to offer 100K warranties as a sales incentive.
Honda doesn't either.
Makes that have had historically iffy reliability and durability do and that's where you'll find them.
 
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
i think not only does the Hyundai have by far the best warranty it is a better car these days..Toyota was once the best but not anymore and you get more from the Hyundai for possible a cheaper price.
the 10 year 100,000 mile warranty is a great thing..Toyota has nothing close to that.
As for resale its a tossup the warranty is a big thing these days.
I don't know which one would be better in the crash tests though. Lots of Toyotas have had engine issues lately. Look up Toyota Engine class action lawsuits..Pretty bad.


I've heard of folks getting repairs denied by Hyundai that should have been covered so what good is a warranty if they won't stand behind it.

I looked up Toyota engine class action lawsuits and they are due to excessive oil consumption.

There is no tossup between resale of Toyota or Hyundai.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
New Camry, because used Camry isn't a deal.


This. When we were looking at Camry's last year about this time used (MY's 13'-14') ones maybe were 2-3K less than a new. Take in the fact higher interest rates with used vehicles, a new one makes sense. We found an early production 15' that they knocked 5K ff of it to get rid of it to put new ones on the lot. We love ours, even going up and down steep mountains it still gets 30+mpg.
 
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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
New Camry, because used Camry isn't a deal.


This. When we were looking at Camry's last year about this time used (MY's 13'-14') ones maybe were 2-3K less than a new. Take in the fact higher interest rates with used vehicles, a new one makes sense. We found an early production 15' that they knocked 5K ff of it to get rid of it to put new ones on the lot. We love ours, even going up and down steep mountains it still gets 30+mpg.


Interesting, this looks to be the case. I see brand new LEs going for $18,500 off the lot, compared to $16,500 used. I could try to use this as an excuse to negotiate the used price further (given it is an older body style), or just go for new.

I had planned to pay the difference in cash, but if I get a 0% or near 0% APR, why not?
 
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
i think not only does the Hyundai have by far the best warranty it is a better car these days..Toyota was once the best but not anymore and you get more from the Hyundai for possible a cheaper price.
the 10 year 100,000 mile warranty is a great thing..Toyota has nothing close to that.


I seem to recall that Hyundai was strict about their 100k warranty. They would challenge any claim unless you did all your servicing at their dealers and followed their maintenance schedule to the letter. Don't know if that's still the case.

I'll take a Toyota any day over a Hyundai, even with the 100k warranty.
 
Camry is stuck automatic-only, and has the oddball dipstick-less transmission to boot. I think Sonata can be had in stick?

I've been in a couple of late model Sonata's recently, as a passenger, and both times they felt a bit cramped--I didn't adjust the seat so maybe a worthless datapoint.

I suspect if shopping used, Sonata is better (more depreciation). But new... I wonder if waiting until August timeframe is best. See if you can get 0% or 0.9% when the new models start coming out, and they want to move the older (yet still new) models.

Edit: I didn't bother with recommending one over the other, as I haven't driven either, and it's foolish of me to recommend the Toyota simply because it's a Toyota.

Oh: maybe check into how to do the usual maintance stuff? Some people hate how Toyota does their cartridge filter, etc. IMO working on my Camry is pretty easy, brakes and oil has been easy. I might change my tune after doing serpentine and plugs, dunno.
 
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I prefer the old fashioned spin on oil filter but the cartridge style on the camry is not that bad.
 
Just had a Sonata rental and it drove surprisingly well for a base model. Pretty good low end pick up. I think they are decent appliance cars.

But I would buy used. I noticed that some dealers have them at a no-haggle price of $12,500 with around 40k miles (2015 models). At that price, I'm not sure a Camry can beat it.

But if you insist on a Camary, I agree with others that you should buy it new.
 
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
A 2013 Camry will cost about as much as a brand new one


hogwash. 15k does not equal 20k last i checked.
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Originally Posted By: Leo99
Originally Posted By: barkingspider
Camry is really not much bigger than a corolla. And the 4 cyl doesn't have much in HP over the corolla. Maybe a better deal hanging on to the corolla. I think the price diff is large enough for me to go w the Hyundai so that's what I would go with.


The Camry feels a lot larger than the Corolla and feels a lot faster. My new Camry at 90mph feels like the Corolla at 75mph. If you're in stop and go, the high speed comfort might not matter. I don't think Toyota is making any money off the Camry LE. You could probably squeeze one new for less than $20k or close to it.



If the op is looking for more leg room the measurements show that the Camry is not the way to go.

Camry.....Legroom 41.6 Headroom 38.8
Corolla...Legroom 42.3 Headroom 38.3
Sonata....Legroom 45.5 Headroom 40.4

The older Camrys seemed to glide down the road, the newer ones don't seem to ride as well. IMHO
 
I would seriously consider a Hyundai, they are very impressive and a lot of folks buying their lineup.

Their leather is top notch, my Lexus leather is a shame when comparing Hyundai leather.
 
FDCG when i had the shop up until last year we had lots of not so high mileage engines from Toyota and Honda coming in with lots of problems look at sone of the class action lawsuits and you will know what i mean furthermore when my brother had the transmission shop up until he sold it besides Chrysler Honda was his bread and butter he never went mote then a week or two that there was not a honda in his shop..You are thinking of the 80's when Toyota and Honda rusted to the ground but ran like new those days are long gone!
I also think the camry failed the crash test big time but not sure what years. I have nothing against Toyota they made me a lot of money but i think the Hyundai is a better vehicle,
 
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