When they start building massive new power plants and massive new transmission lines I might pay attention. Assuming AI doesn't usurp any extra power we have available anyway.
Until then- yawn.
CAFE Standards Being Scaled Back
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Until then- yawn.
Only for those with excess funds to afford a high performance toy.
Other than that, it's all CVT's and autos for the rest of us.
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Maybe instead of EV incentives - I can get cash to remove AFM/DFM … 
I think it is a looooooong way off. Batteries are too heavy, and not efficient enough. And the cost of electricity is too high. Right now, I don't see owning one in my lifetime. I'm 56 years old.
Its possible we see some more manual cars on the low end. The Sentra is available with a manual standard in Mexico - where there made for the US also. You could never get a manual in the USA except for one special sport version - it uses more gas than the CVT. Possibly with relaxed Cafe they would bring some in or allow them to be ordered?Only for those with excess funds to afford a high performance toy.
Other than that, it's all CVT's and autos for the rest of us.
This is the thing.
Businesses of all kinds hate uncertainty.
Should an automaker plan on much lower CAFE requirements or should they assume that they'll revert to status quo anti in 2028?
It's not a decision I'd want to have to make myself, but I think that most who do will plan on the original CAFE standards prevailing.
IOW, no changes that extend beyond continuing existing product production or that require no more than software changes.
I highly doubt it very few people have any desire for a stick shift anymore
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I’m A-OK to back off on the CAFE requirements that allow getting rid of AFM/DFM, and start/stop. Also, let’s not get stupid with the 10 speed transmissions. Reduce the number of gears and make them reliable for at least 200,000 miles.
I have older vehicles and 4 are stick shift. It just wouldn't feel right to have no cars with a stick. Two even have carburetors.
That's debatable.
Not so sure about that.
I really wouldn't mind shopping stick mainstream sedans.
When we owned them as our daily drivers, they were more entertaining to drive for both wife and I.
This just allows the automakers more reason to delay even further their "promised" plans. 
Right after the fact they've made billions in profits over many years now & things are starting to slow down.
One really thinks this will bring prices down? I have my doubts but I think it'll cost taxpayers health related expenses in the end.
Though there are some rallying about these companies "bringin' back that ol v8".
Right after the fact they've made billions in profits over many years now & things are starting to slow down.
One really thinks this will bring prices down? I have my doubts but I think it'll cost taxpayers health related expenses in the end.
Though there are some rallying about these companies "bringin' back that ol v8".
I agree I always enjoyed a modern stick shift but the demand is low. Automatics have come a long way since the power glide.
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CAFE impacts on reliability is real in many cases …
Mitsubishi made the Mirage which met all requirements and sold for under $20k. Few sold and they pulled out of the market.
Skinflint BITOGers like stick shift hatchbacks as second-hand cars but nobody plans what the second buyer wants.
Naturally we as a collective would rather make cars "safer" than driving tests harder (or cell phone enforcement more prevalent), so we get dumb stuff like lane keep assist and, soon, auto-braking for pedestrians.
Sure, but a stick is so much more engaging to drive.
It also requires that the driver pay more attention to driving than to their phone or their drive through coffee, a positive.
It’s good for all of humanity
Toyota's doing some good stuff with solid state batteries. They'll happen faster than cold fusion.
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