BYD may come to the US via Mexico

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So as domestic automaker dither about how EV's demand is not as great as anticipated while offering EV's at ridiculous prices which middle class Americans can't afford a foreign competitor may be setting them up for a modern day version of 1970's domestic automaker beat down. My worry is whether or not the UAW bargained in bad faith.

Per WSJ

"..Chinese automaker BYD has set its sights on Mexico as its quest for global expansion turns toward North America. The Shenzhen-based car company, whose rapid growth has made it one of the world’s largest electric-vehicle sellers, is scouting locations in the country for a factory, from which it would consider exporting cars to the U.S., according to people familiar with the matter..."

"..CEOs at rival automakers have warned about the potential threat from China, with some suggesting the need for more government action to avert such competition in the U.S. These executives are concerned about what they see as a big cost advantage enjoyed by their Chinese competitors in EVs..."

"...At least a dozen Chinese electric-car component suppliers have announced new factories or added to their existing investments in Mexico in recent years, according to stock-exchange filings. These parts makers are responding to a U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade deal that encourages carmakers in North America to use locally sourced content.

"In recent weeks, executives at some Western car companies have become more vocal about the potential threat these Chinese firms pose to their own EV plans. Through a mix of engineering, government subsidies and lower labor costs, BYD and other China-based EV makers have been able to lure customers with stylish and technologically advanced EVs at attractive prices. On Thursday, Carlos Tavares, chief executive of Chrysler-parent Stellantis, said it was imperative the global automaker be able to match its Chinese rivals on cost, or it would risk ceding ground. He described their expansion as “very powerful” and likened their potential entry in the U.S. to the arrival of the Japanese automakers in the 1970s and South Korean firms in the 1990s. “You can see it in the European markets,” Tavares said during a conference call with analysts. “We may not want to see—a third time—the same movie.”..."
 
I would be happier about the naked protectionism in the EV space if (non-Tesla) domestic manufacturers showed ANY interest in building small/medium EV cars at even a semi-affordable price. The Bolt is a notable exception, but domestic mfrs. seem to want their HUGE truck/SUV profits and leave the cars to others. And buy lots of Chinese components & assemble them in Mexico…
 
I would be happier about the naked protectionism in the EV space if (non-Tesla) domestic manufacturers showed ANY interest in building small/medium EV cars at even a semi-affordable price.
The batteries in an EV are the biggest expense, and car manufacturers don't make batteries. They're not the ones pushing EVs either. Battery manufacturers and infrastructure builders are pushing EVs. The industrial pollution alone is not worth switching to EVs on a mass scale.

I think we're skipping some steps here. Of course, capitalism and greed get in the way of building a future using common sense. All new passenger cars should have been built as hybrids, engineered so that in the future their batteries can be upgraded. Of course, everything that is manufactured has to be an appliance with a limited life cycle. There's nothing "green" in what's going on, no matter how "they" try to frame it.

I have nothing against EVs, I actually like them. However, the current model of manufacturing and selling them is unsustainable, unaffordable, and not efficient at all. Never mind the other problems like limited range, cold climate, etc.
 
I would be happier about the naked protectionism in the EV space if (non-Tesla) domestic manufacturers showed ANY interest in building small/medium EV cars at even a semi-affordable price. The Bolt is a notable exception, but domestic mfrs. seem to want their HUGE truck/SUV profits and leave the cars to others. And buy lots of Chinese components & assemble them in Mexico…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigafactory_Mexico
Many EVs to be built in MEXICO (and maybe Canada) including BYD and I suspect all will be able to get $7,500 from the taxpayers to buy one. Due to the free trade agreement as long as the parts are made in these countries..

What confuses me is why you want or care if other manufacturers produce EVs and how many? They are in business to make money not a charity group (just talking friendly conversation ) and free to make whatever products they want. (so far hee hee)
 
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If BYD is serious about developing EV assembly capacity in Mexico it doesn't take a crystal ball to see the outcome for US producers considering the lower end of the market not excepting Tesla.
Bye bye Model 2 aspirations.
 
I was in one of the resort towns in Mexico. In a high end mall across from the Cruise terminal there was a Chery midsize CUV from China on display. It was an ICE powertrain. I looked it over very carefully. Couldn't drive it of course. It had an excellent interior and fit and finish, paint, etc., was on PAR with anything coming out of the Big 3 here.

Don't under estimate their ability to build what appears to be quality product. from China.
I believe that BYD is their largest auto maker.

Mexico Chery website
https://www.chirey.mx/
 
what does coming to mexico have to do with entering the us market? If tesla shangai can make a nickel from exporting their model 3s to canada, i assume if byd wanted they could do the same with enough gov cash and support.

They just need to establish sales system in the us, whether dealership or direct and they should be golden.
 
My issue with the Big 3 is that they don't want to build small cars (or small wagons/hatchbacks) AT ALL, whether they are EV or ICE. There is apparently not enough money in it-but they will fall all over themselves to stop Chinese manufacturers from building them. Which would drive enough competition to bring Big 3 small cars back.
 
This topic has already been discussed. BYD will put a big hurt on TSLA by building cars in Mexico, they surpassed them in China they could surpass them here. While hurting TSLA, it might help people looking to buy an EV, I could see price cuts on the horizon for EVs in general. And if BYD supplies batteries to TSLA and others they're going to have a nice big piece of the pie. Time will tell.
 
what does coming to mexico have to do with entering the us market? If tesla shangai can make a nickel from exporting their model 3s to canada, i assume if byd wanted they could do the same with enough gov cash and support.

They just need to establish sales system in the us, whether dealership or direct and they should be golden.
If BYD & others can build cars in Mexico, under NAFTA the EVs would be eligible for the $7500 credit (or some amount of it). I think they're coming, myself.
 
If BYD & others can build cars in Mexico, under NAFTA the EVs would be eligible for the $7500 credit (or some amount of it). I think they're coming, myself.
Battery sourcing restrictions would automatically make their financed or purchased vehicles ineligible. The leased vehicles would be the only ones to qualify. However by the time they get a factory up to produce units, even stronger ev requirements would come into play. Better to just import them asap while heavily local and international gov subsidized.
 
This topic has already been discussed. BYD will put a big hurt on TSLA by building cars in Mexico, they surpassed them in China they could surpass them here. While hurting TSLA, it might help people looking to buy an EV, I could see price cuts on the horizon for EVs in general. And if BYD supplies batteries to TSLA and others they're going to have a nice big piece of the pie. Time will tell.
Tesla and the byd relationship is akin to the current samsung and apple relationship. Both can exist, but one dominates on a market-share and component supply while the other dominates profits.
 
My issue with the Big 3 is that they don't want to build small cars (or small wagons/hatchbacks) AT ALL, whether they are EV or ICE. There is apparently not enough money in it-but they will fall all over themselves to stop Chinese manufacturers from building them. Which would drive enough competition to bring Big 3 small cars back.
Yep, my issue too. We hear continuously from the US auto industry that American's don't want small, cheap cars and no one wants to buy them is why there not made.

So why would anyone care if BYD wanted to sell cheap small cars. Apparently there is no market so why should there be any concern?

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We hear continuously from the US auto industry that American's don't want small, cheap cars and no one wants to buy them is why there not made.
I used to own a Mazda 3 hatchback, 5-speed, 2.3L. It was $16K worth of fun, brand new, out the door. Also had a 5-speed Mazda 6, which was $14,900 out the door. Both fun, small, cheap cars, that lasted for a long time. I loved them. I would love to be able to still buy a vehicle with front & side airbags, ABS, traction control, electronic door locks, and power windows. No gimmicks needed. I can add whatever I want, including a ridiculously sized tablet in the center console, after the fact. I'm willing to bet there are many others like me.
 
My issue with the Big 3 is that they don't want to build small cars (or small wagons/hatchbacks) AT ALL, whether they are EV or ICE. There is apparently not enough money in it-but they will fall all over themselves to stop Chinese manufacturers from building them. Which would drive enough competition to bring Big 3 small cars back.
Who is stopping China? Tesla? GM? I don't think so but all is fair in business if they are.
The big three build what they make money on. Why not ask Tesla why they don't build an affordable ICE vehicle too? Doesn't make sense.
But here is the catch. Once of the most AWESOME, nicest looking low cost vehicles that defies its low cost comes from GM. The prices are less than Harley Motorcycles! Beautiful vehicle that you don't have to feel embarrassed to drive. Americans do not want to buy stripped down cars or they would be offered.
This is just one of them. Now how about Tesla? Ford, Stellantis ... they must have some too right?
Click below; (starts at $22,000)
2024 Chevy Trax
 
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Spotted this one a work about six years ago. BYD employee company car in NJ. Heard they were being tried as taxis inNYC?.
 
Who is stopping China? Tesla? GM? I don't think so but all is fair in business if they are.
The big three build what they make money on. Why not ask Tesla why they don't build an affordable ICE vehicle too? Doesn't make sense.
But here is the catch. Once of the most AWESOME, nicest looking low cost vehicles that defies its low cost comes from GM. The prices are less than Harley Motorcycles! Beautiful vehicle that you don't have to feel embarrassed to drive. Americans do not want to buy stripped down cars or they would be offered.
This is just one of them. Now how about Tesla? Ford, Stellantis ... they must have some too right?
Click below; (starts at $22,000)
2024 Chevy Trax
Now that your a GM shareholder, you need to pay BITOG to advertise your GM products :LOL:

All kidding aside, we have discussed the Trax here. It looks promising, but first you won't find one on a lot for under $25K, at least not here, and given I can get a Corolla Cross for $2K more (real price, not lowest MSRP) its really not a deal anymore. Also Daewoo went bankrupt for a reason, so I am in the camp that it needs to prove its quality before I would buy.

Of course we really don't know what a BYD will cost either or how reliable it will be. In Europe there a lot of money so they might be here also.
 
Now that your a GM shareholder, you need to pay BITOG to advertise your GM products :LOL:

All kidding aside, we have discussed the Trax here. It looks promising, but first you won't find one on a lot for under $25K, at least not here, and given I can get a Corolla Cross for $2K more (real price, not lowest MSRP) its really not a deal anymore. Also Daewoo went bankrupt for a reason, so I am in the camp that it needs to prove its quality before I would buy.

Of course we really don't know what a BYD will cost either or how reliable it will be. In Europe there a lot of money so they might be here also.
I think that’s a fair statement $25k for the next up trim level as being more popular about the same as the most popular base Harley cruiser (Street Glide), it’s what Americans want. Pretty much only 3k away from what I mentioned.

If you want a Toyota that is great too, I was just giving an answer to whomever I was replying to that cars are to be found that are not expensive but at least here it’s not what buyers want. VW to my surprise has some too.
If you go to the GM website and select the least expensive it shows dealer stock across the nation there is almost 5000 at dealers of all trim levels, you can enter your zip code for ones near you. I was able to find a handful less than 100 miles from me at 22k and many more further than that.
We are a coastal resort area so maybe like you the level up at 25k is most available here but when traveling up towards i95 80 miles is more selection.

We have to be honest most Americans don’t buy base anything and part of that is the sales model for profit of any company but if one wants one they can buy or order one but heck if a dealer doesn’t have one he may get you in a level up cheap instead of you walking.

BTW the Bolt EV is still available at a number of places here and with those GM will ship to a dealer near you by ordering a unit in production online. Comes out much cheaper with the taxpayers kicking in $7,500!
It was just a statement cars are available if one wants the least expensive! Hope this thread just sold some🤗 go GM! 🤣
 
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