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I only have a couple of hundred miles on them. They seem to be quieter then my last set of tires at the same mileage. I drive 48 miles roundtrip to work. My main factor in buying these were the AA traction. I need a good rain tire up here in Portland.



If you want a good rain tire for our conditions in Portland, the last tire you want is an all-season tire. I know that this information does not help you, as you have already purchased the Bridgestone A/S tires, but it is a fact that cannot be repeated enough.

The National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration's (NHTSA) procedures for testing for Traction (wet braking) in its Uniform Tire Quality Grading (UTQG) suite of procedures are increasingly less relevant to modern vehicles. As you may confirm by plowing through the dense prose at the Code of Federal Regulations codification of the procedures (page 6 of 16 of the .pdf file), the tire under test is inflated to 24psi and mounted, with a load of 1,085 pounds, on a trailer that is then towed at 40 mph across a wetted surface. The wheel on which the tire is mounted then is instantaneously locked. The coefficient of friction of the locked tire then is measured not earlier than one-half (0.5) second after the wheel has been locked.

Most modern vehicles are equipped with antilock braking systems; I assume that your 2005 Sentra is so equipped. Feel free to correct me on the Sentra equipment. This is relevant to the UTQG rating system because it tends to mask the very weakness that all season tires exhibit.

The "all season" part of a tire's nomenclature refers to snow traction, not to rain traction. Now, it is tempting to think of rain as merely defective snow, and to assume that, if a tire has good traction in snow, then a fortiori (a fancy way of saying "even more so"), it must have good traction in the wet. In fact, exactly the opposite is true.

When a tire designer is finalizing the design of a tire, at some point he or she comes to a fork in the road where he or she has to decide if the tire's tread will be made with a rubber compound that is designed to shed as much water as possible so that the contact patch between the tread and the pavement is as nearly dry as possible, or whether the tread compound will be designed to stick to water (which is what snow becomes at the interface between the tire and the snow under the pressure of the mass of the vehicle) so that the tire will give snow traction. If the tread compound will be optimized to stick to snow, then, by the same action, water will adhere to the tread under rainy conditions. That water, a film between the tire's contact patch and the pavement, acts as a fairly good lubricant, compromising braking.

In the UTQG test procedure, the same small part of the tire's circumference that is the locked tire's contact patch is dragged across the pavement for a minimum of 29 feet (the distance traveled at 40mph in 0.5 seconds), which, eventually scrubs off the film of water that an all season tire will bring to the table. The measurement of the coefficient of friction does not even commence until the tire has been dragged at least 29 feet. However, on a vehicle equipped with an antilock braking system, the wheel will be rapidly unlocked and relocked many times in that 0.5 second, and therefore the ABS-equipped vehicle with all season tires will constantly present a fresh area of water-filmed tread to become the contact patch.

As noted above, like you, I live in Portland (in my case, actually in the city itself, but at an altitude of about 750 feet above downtown). At the end of April 2006, I purchased a new car that came with all season tires, and I drove them through the summer, under which conditions they were competent. But with the Portland winter rains approaching last October, I swapped the all season tires off the car and fitted three-season tires instead. In the few times I had driven the all season tires in the rain between April and October, I had experienced how loosey-goosey the all season tires were on wet pavement. The three-season tires I fitted in their place are orders of magnitude superior to the all season tires when the pavement is wet.
 
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but don't summer tire gets hard when it's cold? then they're not that effective on wet and dry? I got some summer sumitomos htr200 and drove them thru rainy and cold late wisconsin autumn. they didn't perform that great. all seasons got softer rubber so they should be better when it's wet/dry and cold. what do you have to say to that?

p.s. hey capriracer! any usefull input on the topic?
 
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but don't summer tire gets hard when it's cold? then they're not that effective on wet and dry? I got some summer sumitomos htr200 and drove them thru rainy and cold late wisconsin autumn. they didn't perform that great. all seasons got softer rubber so they should be better when it's wet/dry and cold. what do you have to say to that?




Some summer tires do get hard at low temperatures (as do some all season tires). But, though a lot of people use the shorthand "summer" tires to designate all tires that are neither true winter tires nor (deceptively labeled) all season tires, there is great variation within the "non-winter, non-all season" tire grouping. An interesting paired example comprises two tires in the Yokohama ADVAN line. The Yokohama ADVAN Neova is a true summer tire, and the performance of its tread compound varies widely with temperature; it is optimized for higher temperatures and has a relatively narrow "sweet spot." Its sister tire, the Yokohama ADVAN Sport, may lack a bit of the performance of the Neova on the track in midsummer, but the Sport performs well over a very broad temperature range, including performing well at below freezing temperatures. In fact, I have some of the latter on my own car right now, and they performed like champs in January here in Oregon, when we had some unusually cold temperatures for Oregon, and I even had to go through some mountain passes.

And don't forget that the majority of all season tires, given the buyer at which their marketing is targeted, start out, even at summer temperatures, with very hard tread compounds in order to maximize treadwear. Because all rubber compounds get harder at lower temperatures, those all season tires have a big head start in getting hard at low temperatures over three-season tires that start out with less hard compounds.
 
so what would you suggest me to do? keep riding on my rock hard three season sumitomos? i pretty sure I remember allsesons were much stickier in cold temps. So what would you ultimately suggest IN MY CASE? Because I cant afford put my snows in october when it's on/off cold and wear out them fast. what tires do i use in these cold and sometimes wet, but not snowy months ???
 
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so what would you suggest me to do? keep riding on my rock hard three season sumitomos? i pretty sure I remember allsesons were much stickier in cold temps. So what would you ultimately suggest IN MY CASE? Because I cant afford put my snows in october when it's on/off cold and wear out them fast. what tires do i use in these cold and sometimes wet, but not snowy months ???




What you put on your car depends on what car you drive, where you live, and what kind of roads you drive on. Without knowing that, it is not possible to make a suggestion. However there are some three-season tires that are excellent in cold, wet, not-snowy conditions. Two of that category with which I have personal experience are the Nokian NR- series tires, which are actually optimized for 40 degree (F.) wet weather, and the Dunlop SP Sport 01, which is a terrific all-around tire.

I have no personal experience with the Sumitomos you are having cold-weather trouble with, but not all three-season tires behave in the manner that you have described, and the two mentioned in the preceding paragraph are examples.
 
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Two of that category with which I have personal experience are the Nokian NR- series tires, which are actually optimized for 40 degree (F.) wet weather, and the Dunlop SP Sport 01, which is a terrific all-around tire.




Is there any kinda way to find out at what degree temperature tires will get real hard? Does it have such parametrs or information on tire's spec sheet.

Answers to your additional questions: I got Civic 185/70-14. I live in southeastern wisconsin and I drive mostly on asphalt roads in mediocre conditions. Hope that helps you to suggest tires that will suit me the best. Keep in mind I have dedicated snow tires for winter so accual snow and ice is not a concern. Thanks in advance.
 
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Is there any kinda way to find out at what degree temperature tires will get real hard? Does it have such parametrs or information on tire's spec sheet.




I have not seen a spec sheet that has that data.

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I got Civic 185/70-14. I live in southeastern wisconsin and I drive mostly on asphalt roads in mediocre conditions. Hope that helps you to suggest tires that will suit me the best. Keep in mind I have dedicated snow tires for winter so accual snow and ice is not a concern. Thanks in advance.



For that size and your location, it is unlikely you could find a tire better suited to your purposes than the Nokian NRHi: Description from Nokian's site
 
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so what would you suggest me to do? keep riding on my rock hard three season sumitomos? i pretty sure I remember allsesons were much stickier in cold temps. So what would you ultimately suggest IN MY CASE? Because I cant afford put my snows in october when it's on/off cold and wear out them fast. what tires do i use in these cold and sometimes wet, but not snowy months ???



He seems to have an intense aversion to "all-season" tires. I don't think they're the Anti-#@$%! that dooms drivers to less than acceptable wet weather braking. In addition, the technology for all-season tire rubber has probably eclipsed many of his generalizations of 3-season rubber compounds that "shed water".

Honestly - most 3-season tires aren't made optimal for wet pavement. They compromise somewhere between optimal wet and optimal dry pavement performance. An optimal wet pavement tire would sacrifice some dry weather braking/handling with sipes to "bite". From a practical perspective, the market choices for 3-season rubber are rather limited. If you want a 3-season tire sold in a small size, you might be out of luck. The only 3-season tire in that 185/70R14 size you mentioned that's carried by the Tire Rack is the Sumitomo HTR 200. It also seems to be an extremely old tire model, and I would guess that the wet weather performance has been eclipsed by many current all-season tires of the same size.

BTW - my RE960AS tires are showing some sort of wear pattern on the shoulders. With about 3K miles on them, the leading edge at the sipes are slightly more worn. I've looked at other tires in our parking lot with siped outer tread blocks and see a similar pattern. The center of the tread doesn't seem to have such a wear pattern. I'm noticing this on both the inside and outside edge, as well as the rear tires that have been there since they were installed. It's more pronounced on the front though. I've seen a similar effect in other tires where a tread block is siped across the width.
 
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I got Civic 185/70-14. I live in southeastern wisconsin and I drive mostly on asphalt roads in mediocre conditions. Hope that helps you to suggest tires that will suit me the best. Keep in mind I have dedicated snow tires for winter so accual snow and ice is not a concern. Thanks in advance.



For that size and your location, it is unlikely you could find a tire better suited to your purposes than the Nokian NRHi: Description from Nokian's site



$90 each in your size online. Maybe more if you can find a bricks & mortar Nokian dealer.

http://tiresbyweb.com/pc-5079-128-nokian-nrhi.aspx

The B/F Goodrich Traction T/A T comes in your size and seems to be a popular choice. While it does have a "B" temperature rating, it does have a nylon cap which adds a measure of safety.

As far as Nokian goes, they do claim on their European website (about the i3) that, "The tyre maintains its grip properties in cold spring mornings and in the cool early autumn, even when temperatures drop below 10 degrees centigrade." However - that tire is marketed in North America as an M+S tire. However - they don't market it as an "all season" tire in Europe. It's less expensive and longer wearing than the NRHi referenced earlier. It's still pretty darn pricey for a small tire.

http://www.nokiantyres.com/passengercars_product_en?product=1170571&name=NOKIAN+i3
 
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Not all all-season tires are created equal. To the comment above that generalize the category are untrue especially of a top tier All-Season (ultra high performance) like the RE960:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=4228&page_number=1



There's also a question as to what a "3-season/summer tire" really is. I drove on 205/55R16 Pirelli P Zero Nero M+S tires in light snow, and would not recommend it for that purpose. While the compound probably stayed soft enough, it didn't have an aggressive tread pattern or sipes to help in snowy conditions.

The Nokian i3 I reference earlier is the same tire sold in Europe and North America. The difference is that here it's marketed as an "M+S all season" tire, while in Europe it's marketed as a "summer tyre" which "maintains its grip properties.....below 10 degrees centigrade". There might also be as question as to whether or not it uses a rubber compound that (GC4lunch's favorite phrase) "sheds water".
 
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The only 3-season tire in that 185/70R14 size you mentioned that's carried by the Tire Rack is the Sumitomo HTR 200. It also seems to be an extremely old tire model




that's what I have now. how do you know it's an old model?

some things you say does make sense. Nokian i3 also presented at american version of Nokian website,BTW. I don't want them. I thought about NRHi that GC4lunch reccomended(thanks btw) and only things that bothers me is that how they would act when it's cold in late autumn and how would they perform because I like to drive aggresively ? it really is a big issue for me because Sumitomo HTR 200 sucked big time in cold wet/dry and almost got me in an accident twice. so that's why I so concerned with that. cold wet/dry is a big chunk of my driving and i don't want to risk.

now i'm thinking Potenza RE960 vs BFG Traction T/A. what do you guys think will be better?
 
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The only 3-season tire in that 185/70R14 size you mentioned that's carried by the Tire Rack is the Sumitomo HTR 200. It also seems to be an extremely old tire model




that's what I have now. how do you know it's an old model?

some things you say does make sense. Nokian i3 also presented at american version of Nokian website,BTW. I don't want them. I thought about NRHi that GC4lunch reccomended(thanks btw) and only things that bothers me is that how they would act when it's cold in late autumn and how would they perform because I like to drive aggresively ? it really is a big issue for me because Sumitomo HTR 200 sucked big time in cold wet/dry and almost got me in an accident twice. so that's why I so concerned with that. cold wet/dry is a big chunk of my driving and i don't want to risk.

now i'm thinking Potenza RE960 vs BFG Traction T/A. what do you guys think will be better?



OK where to start. First the HTR 200 sounded like an older tire simply by the description from the Tire Rack. Their newer tire offerings tend to have the three selectable views and the option to see a 1000x1000 photo. That wasn't the case for the HTR 200. I also looked up the oldest reference to it on Usenet, and I got something referencing it in 2002.

Also are you sure the RE960AS comes in your size? Bridgestone claims that it only starts in 15" sizes.

As for the Nokian stuff, the marketing of the i3 I was referring to was from the differences I saw between the North American and European website descriptions. While it's probably true that the concept of an "all season tyre" is uncommon in Europe, it doesn't mean that they don't sell "summer tyres" that are pretty much equivalent in all respects to some M+S/all season tires sold in North America. Sometimes "all season" vs "three season" is more of a semantic distinction rather than any real difference in design/material technology.
 
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Also are you sure the RE960AS comes in your size? Bridgestone claims that it only starts in 15" sizes.




I have another car with 195/60-15.

I checked Nokian european site and your statements on i3 confirmmed. i even watched the video. but still convinced it's not really performance tire. as for their better longevity in comparison to nrhi - i don't care because performance is the number one priority in the tire for me. I also noticed that unlike american website they don't have nrhi and nrvi listed in their summer category. though they have many other summer tire that american website don't have. i'm a little surprised.
 
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There's also a question as to what a "3-season/summer tire" really is. I drove on 205/55R16 Pirelli P Zero Nero M+S tires in light snow, and would not recommend it for that purpose. While the compound probably stayed soft enough, it didn't have an aggressive tread pattern or sipes to help in snowy conditions.




The Pirelli P Zero M & S is an "all season" tire. In the North American tire lexicon, "all season" and "M & S" are effectively interchangeable.

Pirelli makes a tire called the P Zero Nero, which is a very high performance three-season tire, among the best tires in the world. Pirelli sells the P Zero Nero worldwide, including in North America.

The P Zero Nero M & S is a completely different tire from the P Zero Nero. The P Zero Nero M & S is a North American model, and sells alongside the P Zero Nero, but to a different target market, in North America. National safety laws and regulations prevent Pirelli from selling the P Zero Nero M & S tires in much of the world outside of North America.

The two tires have identical (not merely similar) tread patterns, and so they look alike from the outside, but the tread pattern is about all the two models share.

The P Zero Nero is built around a rayon carcass (what, in the NHTSA-required legend moulded into the tire wall is called "sidewall plies"). Rayon has more linear characteristics over a broader range of operating temperatures than does polyester. Unfortunately, rayon is (relatively) expensive. The P Zero Nero M & S is built around a polyester carcass; polyester is a decent fiber to use for tire carcasses, and there are some very good tires that have polyester carcasses. However, the single most important characteristic of polyester is that it is inexpensive: when you see the ads for "four tires for $100," you can bet the tires being sold have polyester carcasses.

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The Nokian i3 I reference earlier is the same tire sold in Europe and North America. The difference is that here it's marketed as an "M+S all season" tire, while in Europe it's marketed as a "summer tyre" which "maintains its grip properties.....below 10 degrees centigrade". There might also be as question as to whether or not it uses a rubber compound that (GC4lunch's favorite phrase) "sheds water".



It is certain that the i3 sold in Europe is not identical to the i3 sold in the United States if only because of the information that has to be moulded into the sidewall of tires sold in the respective markets. It is possible that that is the only difference between the two i3 models, but I would not bet on there being no other differences.

Every modern tire is built in layers, and uses a different kind of "rubber" (some modern tire "rubber" contains very little rubber, but the word is convenient) for the tread than it does for the sidewalls.

An inherent quality of rubber is that it sheds water; rubber has been used as a fabric coating for extreme weather raingear for well over a century for that reason, although it now has largely been supplanted by newer materials. However, that very quality of rubber -- a lack of affinity with water -- makes rubber unable to grip, to slip and slide, on a snowy surface. The best way to get traction in the snow is to get a layer of snow to adhere to the tire, and then let that layer of snow interact with the snow on the ground, like packing a snowball, where the snow sticks together. In order to get that first layer of snow to adhere to the tire, however, the tread compound of the tire has to be modified to overcome the rubber's disaffinity for water. That modified rubber is called a hydrophilic ("likes water") tread compound. It is the presence of a hydrophilic tread compound that makes an "all season" tire an "all season" tire. Some tires actually use different tread compounds for different parts of the tread. For instance, the Goodyear Eagle ResponsEdge, which is an asymmetrical tire, uses a three-season tread compound on the part of the tread that will be on the outside of the wheel when mounted, and a hydrophilic tread compound on the part of the tread that will be on the inside of the wheel.

Perhaps the biggest difference between the Pirelli P Zero Nero and the Pirelli P Zero Nero M & S is the difference between their respective tread compounds. The P Zero Nero has a three-season tread compound that "sticks" well to wet and dry pavement and stays flexible over a very wide range of temperatures. The P Zero Nero has outstanding dry and wet traction. However the P Zero Nero is effectively helpless and useless on snow. The P Zero Nero M & S (which has an identical tread pattern to the P Zero Nero), while it is not a true winter tire, as you observe, has competent snow traction because of its hydrophilic tread compound. It is fair to say that the only reason for the significant difference in snow traction between the P Zero Nero and the P Zero Nero M & S is the difference in tread compounds.

However, because of the nature of the tread compound of the P Zero Nero M & S -- the very quality that allows snow to stick to the tire and, consequently, gives the tire its snow traction -- the P Zero Nero M & S has very significantly degraded traction on wet roads (compared to its sibling P Zero Nero). In emergency braking from highway speeds on wet pavement, a vehicle equipped with P Zero Nero tires will stop in a significantly shorter distance than an identical vehicle equipped with P Zero Nero M & S tires of the same size.
 
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There's also a question as to what a "3-season/summer tire" really is. I drove on 205/55R16 Pirelli P Zero Nero M+S tires in light snow, and would not recommend it for that purpose. While the compound probably stayed soft enough, it didn't have an aggressive tread pattern or sipes to help in snowy conditions.




The Pirelli P Zero M & S is an "all season" tire. In the North American tire lexicon, "all season" and "M & S" are effectively interchangeable.

Pirelli makes a tire called the P Zero Nero, which is a very high performance three-season tire, among the best tires in the world. Pirelli sells the P Zero Nero worldwide, including in North America.



Sorry - just two different thoughts in the same paragraph. If it didn't make it clear, I thought the P Zero Nero M+S wasn't a competent light snow tire even though it's marketed for that purpose.

As for the 3-season P Zero Nero - it doesn't come in my size. It starts in 17" sizes and I've got 16" rims. A lot of people also seem to compare the Michelin Pilot Sport with the Pilot Sport A/S. Again - in that case the 3-season tire starts in 17" sizes.

I live in Northern California but make occasional trips to the Sierras. I remember driving up to Tahoe and tooling around on 3-season Pirelli P6000 tires in cold, dry weather. Not fun. Certainly everything on a car is made with some sort of compromise. I'll compromise a little on wet/dry braking for longer wear, a smoother ride, and the ability to drive my WRX past chain checkpoints in R2 snow conditions. All-season tires have gotten pretty good and pretty much dominate the market - especially in the economy/passenger car class. While high-silica rubber compounds are inherently hydrophilic, many manufacturers claims that it still helps with wet weather performance while aiding fuel efficiency. Even many (possibly most?) "3 season" tires use silica as filler even though it is inherently hydrophilic.

http://www.akelastomer.com/eng/eel/pub/products/p_e_series.html

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In recent years, the growing environmental awareness and demand for resources and energy conservation have sharply increased the requirement for fuel efficiency, and for tires that help to meet this requirement. This has accelerated the efforts for development and adoption of silica particles as a reinforcing filler in tire-tread compounds, in place of the traditional carbon-black filler, because of its recognized potential for a far superior balance of fuel efficiency and wet-road control.

As a hydrophilic material, silica does not readily disperse in the inherently hydrophobic rubber polymers, and process technologies have therefore been developed to coat the silica with silane coupling agents, and thus enable effective dispersion.




Obviously the European Nokian i3 is a different beast than the typical "3 season" tire. The European marketing of its low temperature properties does seem to suggest that they use an all-season compound without specifically marketing it as an all-season tire.
 
I just wanted to clarify that I don't think this whole business about "hydrophilic" or "hydrophobic" is as simple as one being bad and the other good for wet traction. Bridgestone, Michelin, etc are intentionally compounding many of their "3 season" tires with inherently hydrophilic silica. It has a whole bunch of properties, which includes resisting hardening at lower temperatures, increasing stiffness of the tread, and improving fuel economy. I understand that some of the early attempts at high-silica tread compounds decreased wet traction, but now many tiremakers claim that their use of current silica formulations increases wet traction.
 
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All-season tires have gotten pretty good and pretty much dominate the market - especially in the economy/passenger car class. While high-silica rubber compounds are inherently hydrophilic, many manufacturers claims that it still helps with wet weather performance while aiding fuel efficiency. Even many (possibly most?) "3 season" tires use silica as filler even though it is inherently hydrophilic.

http://www.akelastomer.com/eng/eel/pub/products/p_e_series.html
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In recent years, the growing environmental awareness and demand for resources and energy conservation have sharply increased the requirement for fuel efficiency, and for tires that help to meet this requirement. This has accelerated the efforts for development and adoption of silica particles as a reinforcing filler in tire-tread compounds, in place of the traditional carbon-black filler, because of its recognized potential for a far superior balance of fuel efficiency and wet-road control.

As a hydrophilic material, silica does not readily disperse in the inherently hydrophobic rubber polymers, and process technologies have therefore been developed to coat the silica with silane coupling agents, and thus enable effective dispersion.







As the excerpted material you have quoted points out, silica (sand) is used as pretty much a direct replacement for carbon black as a filler (strengthener) in tire compounds. It is used across the board, in "summer" tires and in winter tires and in three-season tires. In the previously discussed Pirelli P Zero Nero lines of tires, silica is used in both the three-season P Zero Nero and in the all season P Zero Nero M & S.

However I think that you may have conflated two uses of the term hydrophilic in your interpretation of the material that you quoted. The quotation appears to refer to the hydrophilic nature of the silica in respect of miscibility of various forms of silica when the compounds are being made, and not to the properties of the compound after curing on the tread of a tire.

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Obviously the European Nokian i3 is a different beast than the typical "3 season" tire. The European marketing of its low temperature properties does seem to suggest that they use an all-season compound without specifically marketing it as an all-season tire.



Again, it appears that you may be conflating and making assumptions based upon the conflation. Tread compounds may or may not have silica as a component. The presence of silica may extend the range of useful temperatures of the resulting tire. But just because a tire compound has silica in it and just because the tire remains flexible at low temperatures, that does not make the tire an "all season" tire. Yokohama ADVAN Sport tires (which use silica in the compound) have excellent low temperature flexibility and sub-freezing grip on dry pavement, but they most certainly are not "all season" tires; they are not good in the snow. The fact that a tire may be compounded to retain flexibility and traction when temperatures are low does not mean that water will adhere to the tread so that the tire will have snow traction, which is what distinguishes an "all season" tire from a three season tire.

Because almost all European car owners who live in areas that ever get snow have separate sets of three-season and winter tires, when a northern European goes out to purchase tires he or she is looking for one or the other, not "one size fits all." European auto enthusiast magazines (unlike American ones) regularly and frequently run tire comparison tests, and European consumers rely on the tests in making purchasing decisions. The magazines test winter tires against winter tires and they test three-season tires against other three-season tires.

It is unlikely (though not impossible) that the European version of the Nokian i3 would have what in North America would be called an "all season" characteristic -- that is, that water will adhere to it. That would place the i3 at a performance disadvantage in the tests against three-season tires in non-snow conditions, and make it hard to sell the tire in Finland.
 
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As the excerpted material you have quoted points out, silica (sand) is used as pretty much a direct replacement for carbon black as a filler (strengthener) in tire compounds. It is used across the board, in "summer" tires and in winter tires and in three-season tires. In the previously discussed Pirelli P Zero Nero lines of tires, silica is used in both the three-season P Zero Nero and in the all season P Zero Nero M & S.

However I think that you may have conflated two uses of the term hydrophilic in your interpretation of the material that you quoted. The quotation appears to refer to the hydrophilic nature of the silica in respect of miscibility of various forms of silica when the compounds are being made, and not to the properties of the compound after curing on the tread of a tire.



Apparently blending in silica (sand/glass or whatever you want to call it) is difficult with inherently hydrophobic rubber. GE apparently coats silica particles with a silane compound that makes it far easier to blend. I used to wear silicone hydrogel contact lenses from Ciba Vision. The material had inherently poor hydrophilic properties (bad in a contact lens) and were treated with plasma to convert some of the silicone at the surface into silica. I'm not saying that the hydrophilic nature of silica as a tire filler isn't controlled, but that there are a whole host of tradeoffs inherent in designing a tire compound.

All I'm getting at is that there's whole lot more to building a tire for wet conditions than maximizing the hydrophilic nature of the tread compound.

For most people, all-season tires are adequate. Perhaps they create certain sacrifices, but it's not as if the average person gets into or out of a dangerous situation on a monthly basis just because of a choice to use an all season versus three season tire.
 
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Again, it appears that you may be conflating and making assumptions based upon the conflation. Tread compounds may or may not have silica as a component. The presence of silica may extend the range of useful temperatures of the resulting tire. But just because a tire compound has silica in it and just because the tire remains flexible at low temperatures, that does not make the tire an "all season" tire. Yokohama ADVAN Sport tires (which use silica in the compound) have excellent low temperature flexibility and sub-freezing grip on dry pavement, but they most certainly are not "all season" tires; they are not good in the snow. The fact that a tire may be compounded to retain flexibility and traction when temperatures are low does not mean that water will adhere to the tread so that the tire will have snow traction, which is what distinguishes an "all season" tire from a three season tire.




Again - there's likely a lot more to wet weather traction than simply whether or not the compound may hold on to water. There are advances in the state of the art. As borne out by tests, some current all-season tires at the top of the performance range show excellent results in wet condition braking and even surpass some "3 season" tires in the same wet condition performance categories.

If I had the funds and the inclination, I would probably buy a set of "3 season" tires if only for the superior dry handling and steering response of certain tires in that category. As it is, the market doesn't provide a long-wearing, reasonably-priced high-performance "3 season" tire in my needed size with decent cool weather pliability. I've chosen one of the better all-season tires on the market (the RE960A/S) and I guess I'm just going to have to live with it's limitations.
 
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