Brakes Plus in Phoenix mangled my wheel lugs...

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well, actually, it's the future in-laws '01 camry not mine, but i was the one who found the problem while attempting to inspect the front brakes...
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a year ago the car was brought to brakes plus for front pads. ever since they have been squealing, and it had gotten so bad it sounded like a desert hare getting eaten by a coyote.

so I attempt to pull the front wheel off. about 3/4 turn out on each lug nut was all I could muster, at which point they were locked and would not turn at all in either direction. but they were loose enough that the wheel was banging around loose on the hub when i attempted to drive. so we had to have the car towed to brakes plus for repair. they had to break each wheel lug to get the wheel off.

next day I go there to check on things - the tech was just about ready to tighten the new lug nuts with a high power air impact driver, so I run out into the garage and stop him just in time. i told him to snug them by hand and then use a torque wrench. he looked at me like i was nuts and goes to get his manager, who i was already well acquainted with. I tell him not to let an impact driver touch my wheel lugs. he shrugs and says "fine, but every garage in the country uses them". so I pick up the broken lugs that were still strewn on the floor and tell him never again on my car - do it right, use a torque wrench.

btw - they also cracked a hub cap in the process, and returned the car with the brakes still squealing (said no trouble found). so I later inspect the brakes and find glazed rotors/pads and no shims. I deglazed them with 50 grit sanding wheel and installed universal 3M adhesive shims. they are now whisper quiet.
 
i use a very high powered impact gun on lug nuts and have never had a problem. however, i use mine differntly than most people. i keep mine on the lowest setting and just hit it so the lugs are barely snug, i then tighten with a torque wrench. my 1/2" impact has a pressure sensitive trigger so i can vary the speed with my finger.

the other people i work with though just pound on the lugs and wonder why the studs snap.
 
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"fine, but every garage in the country uses them".




That guy should be cooking french fries instead of wrecking people's cars.

Unless there's absolutely no other option, I don't let any shops touch my vehicles. Always take the wheels in separately for mounting and balancing.
 
Own/operate a tire/wheel alignment/muffler/lube shop. Use impact coming off. EVERY LUGNUT GOES ON WITH 4WAY FINISH TIGHTEN WITH SNAPON TORQUE WRENCH.

Bob
 
This is why on my HIGH POWERED Impact I use low settings and Torque sticks. Then they go on right and actually come off. If it were just one I would have said **it happens. My Dad's old Explorer had one seize up even though I finished torqued it with a torque wrench by hand. Yet when it cam off it stripped all the threads off. Oops. What can you do some times. But all of them is ridiculous.
 
If it's anything like a McGard SplinDrive lugnut or a wheel lock I never use an impact to revove them. I always use a breaker bar to remove lugnuts, and snug with the socket by hand and torque with a torque wrench, I don't like the big possibility inaccuracy of torque sticks.
 
So.......did they do the repairs for free? They should have.

My experiences, in Michigan, seems that most tire shops no longer use air wrenches and do use torque wrenches. I get the feeling that they had too many problems with warping rotors or ruining fancy aluminum wheels. Just my observations.
 
yes they did the repairs for free, and paid for a new set of hubcaps. but the tow cost us $15 and we didn't get that back. and it was a huge inconvenience. most of all I just didn't like the attitude I got from the owner/manager. he was very unapologetic and could not understand why I was so upset that they were going to use the impact again, after all that had happened and after they swore to me the day before that they only use torque wrenches in their shop. at one point he even said "...well then, you're going to end up doing a lot of your own car work because you will not find a shop that doesn't use them [impacts]...". unbelievable. I was not happy. don't even get me started on the neanderthals working in the shop.
 
I just don't understand why the shops don't care like that. It is so frustrating b/c it would be very simple for the shop to do it right the 1st time. Lack of concern/ignorance b/c the masses don't care about their black box commodity?
I now do as rpn453 does on all tires/wheels as a result of a shop ruining an alloy wheel on our Accord.
 
Vip Auto, a local tire chain, hypes in all their TV ads, as well as on their website, about hand torquing stuff. I've bought tires there and they really do it!

Suprised their lawyers/ insurance company aren't all over them to do better work.
 
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