Brake Hose Question

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Yes, that happens. I bought three dollar battery terminals off Ebay that would match a Toyota dealer's 60-90 dollar part. But a terminal is a pretty static item that's hard to screw up. Just like drain pans and manifolds(if everything lines up). Or on Temu, I did buy security camera mounts that are an exact match to the Wassersteins or whatever they are called sold in stores.

But the opposite has to be said about fuel injectors. The fakes are fakes. Internals are poor. The oring is a cheap, gas-vulnerable material.

So the question is whether the hoses are more like static, easy to assess items that are just mere excess inventory being dumped or are they vulnerable wear items like suspension parts or fuel injectors.

I'd sooner get an OEM (if plastic, direct replacement, not some higher performance mod) intake manifold than Dorman, because last time, twice in a row, they didn't line up.

I am thinking about things like fuel injectors. Suppose made by Bosch, then why would I pay twice as much for OEM instead of the Bosch part? Just sayin', it very much depends on which part, for which vehicle. The first question on my mind is always "who makes that OEM part?" because it stinks to me, when OEMs can get volume discounts buying parts, but still want to grossly mark them up for their *loyal* customers. Even worse when a shop tacks on their addt'l 3rd party markup.
 
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Has anyone here installed new brake hoses, and had them fail due to poor quality, or because they were counterfeit, or because they came from China, or whatever?
I had a 15 year old chevy silverado ,160,000 miles original ACDELCO hoses still looked good.I decided to change them out I know at that age they are running on borrowed time. Bought three different brand names on Rockauto -Raybestos,bendix and Dynamic Friction ,just to see if they were all from China,I was right all three brands were made in china.Fast forward 4 years and 30,000 miles I hade a hose failure! I have never been a fan of China parts!!!
 
I'd sooner get an OEM (if plastic, direct replacement, not some higher performance mod) intake manifold than Dorman, because last time, twice in a row, they didn't line up.

I am thinking about things like fuel injectors. Suppose made by Bosch, then why would I pay twice as much for OEM instead of the Bosch part? Just sayin', it very much depends on which part, for which vehicle. The first question on my mind is always "who makes that OEM part?" because it stinks to me, when OEMs can get volume discounts buying parts, but still want to grossly mark them up for their *loyal* customers. Even worse when a shop tacks on their addt'l 3rd party markup.
Does not mean it is the same.

I don't think the aftermarket KYB shocks for my Lexus are the same as the dealer (which are KYB). When I questioned them they first said they are then they said sometimes they "improve" aftermarket shocks to compensate for wear in other components. It is made in Japan. The mount certainly isn't.

Here is a good one. A plumber did a crazy test on AO smith hot water heaters from Lowes and a plumbing store. Very few differences on the outside but ultimately the plumbing store one was arguably better quality. Not crazy differences, but different. They failed in very different ways. Tank in the Lowes one was 9 lbs less.

And Sunsong is very good. The Explorer has a rear (2 way) Sunsong hose since 2008, holding up well, it is rusting like the OEM one did.
 
I had a 15 year old chevy silverado ,160,000 miles original ACDELCO hoses still looked good.I decided to change them out I know at that age they are running on borrowed time. Bought three different brand names on Rockauto -Raybestos,bendix and Dynamic Friction ,just to see if they were all from China,I was right all three brands were made in china.Fast forward 4 years and 30,000 miles I hade a hose failure! I have never been a fan of China parts!!!
The Lincoln Nautilus is made in China. https://www.autoweek.com/news/a6014...ilus-premium-suv-will-soothe-your-weary-soul/
I am sure there are plenty of Ebay, A+ Premium brand parts on there 🤣

I bought two backing plates for my Explorer Parking brake from one of those brands, came with the shoes and all, the quality and how it was packed looked better than many Ford parts. They could certainly put their logo on that part.
 
I'd sooner get an OEM (if plastic, direct replacement, not some higher performance mod) intake manifold than Dorman, because last time, twice in a row, they didn't line up.

I am thinking about things like fuel injectors. Suppose made by Bosch, then why would I pay twice as much for OEM instead of the Bosch part? Just sayin', it very much depends on which part, for which vehicle. The first question on my mind is always "who makes that OEM part?" because it stinks to me, when OEMs can get volume discounts buying parts, but still want to grossly mark them up for their *loyal* customers. Even worse when a shop tacks on their addt'l 3rd party markup.
Fuel injectors, if you want the best combo of performance and affordability, reconditioning is the option to choose.

In my case, Denso for a 2007 Corolla or Matrix is available through Advance at about maybe 40-50 dollars each less than a dealership. So the difference is about 200 dollars. But you have to wait for the parts longer, and sometimes a fuel injector cannot wait. I wanted like new operation because there are no plans to dump the vehicle at this time and it has proven it can last.

The other thing is that sometimes the OE's aftermarket is just "similar enough" rather than completely the same as factory. Different line of parts, but the Denso radiator I bought did not have holes that lined up with the fan assembly. Why is uncertain to me. Whether the Corolla has different placement than the Matrix, the factory screwed up, or Denso simply used something "different" and slapped their name on it is unknown. But it sure wasn't factory matched. But I can live with a fan assembly unbolted because it remains secure enough and pocket the savings. But if I have to get a another radiator, I would be open to Chinesium because Denso flopped in providing a completely functional product and has become more expensive.
 
Does not mean it is the same.

I don't think the aftermarket KYB shocks for my Lexus are the same as the dealer (which are KYB). When I questioned them they first said they are then they said sometimes they "improve" aftermarket shocks to compensate for wear in other components. It is made in Japan. The mount certainly isn't.

Here is a good one. A plumber did a crazy test on AO smith hot water heaters from Lowes and a plumbing store. Very few differences on the outside but ultimately the plumbing store one was arguably better quality. Not crazy differences, but different. They failed in very different ways. Tank in the Lowes one was 9 lbs less.

And Sunsong is very good. The Explorer has a rear (2 way) Sunsong hose since 2008, holding up well, it is rusting like the OEM one did.
This could very well be true. I know it is with plumbing fixtures and faucets from Lowe's and Home depot. They even have the same model number, but a different SKU#.

And with you pick up the box containing the faucet, it's about a full pound lighter. Because all the internals are plastic and nylon.... Not Stainless Steel and brass.
 
Need to name it after a major American industrial city... Detroit Axle, Pittsburgh Pro, Chicago Electric (NOT Pneumatic!)
Not to split hairs but I’d call those cities post industrial. Who in their right minds would manufacture any thing but a sandwich in those zip codes today.

I’m changing the front brake hoses on my ‘15 proactively. I bought the right from the dealer for 30 ish wholesale, but the left is backordered until September. I’ll post up some comparison pictures after the RA $10 Sun Song hose arrives.
 
For what it's worth, my 1991 F-150 has the original brake hoses from the factory. As do my other 2 vehicles, (2015, and a 2018). Granted they're all fairly low mileage for their respective ages. But I have never replaced a brake hose on any vehicle I have ever owned in the last 56 years I have been driving.... Ever.

22 of those years were in the rust belt, in and around the Chicago area. It's just not something I ever remotely felt the need to replace. And I don't know anyone personally who has. Or has suffered a mishap for not doing it. And 56 years is a hell of a long time to be "lucky"... If that has anything to do with it.
 
This could very well be true. I know it is with plumbing fixtures and faucets from Lowe's and Home depot. They even have the same model number, but a different SKU#.

And with you pick up the box containing the faucet, it's about a full pound lighter. Because all the internals are plastic and nylon.... Not Stainless Steel and brass.
True. I always go to the "pro" supply store for electrical or plumbing parts- much better than HD or Lowes. Just my experience...
 
True. I always go to the "pro" supply store for electrical or plumbing parts- much better than HD or Lowes. Just my experience...
After I paid $420.00 for my kitchen faucet from my local plumbing supply store, I found what I thought was the exact same one at Lowe's. It was $179.00, but was light as a feather. No doubt from most of the parts being plated plastic instead of metal.
 
For what it's worth, my 1991 F-150 has the original brake hoses from the factory. As do my other 2 vehicles, (2015, and a 2018). Granted they're all fairly low mileage for their respective ages. But I have never replaced a brake hose on any vehicle I have ever owned in the last 56 years I have been driving.... Ever.

22 of those years were in the rust belt, in and around the Chicago area. It's just not something I ever remotely felt the need to replace. And I don't know anyone personally who has. Or has suffered a mishap for not doing it. And 56 years is a hell of a long time to be "lucky"... If that has anything to do with it.
The brake line in my F150 and in the Lincoln locked up the caliper. They get an internal flap and trap pressure. Both were over 150K.
 
For what it's worth, my 1991 F-150 has the original brake hoses from the factory. As do my other 2 vehicles, (2015, and a 2018). Granted they're all fairly low mileage for their respective ages. But I have never replaced a brake hose on any vehicle I have ever owned in the last 56 years I have been driving.... Ever.

22 of those years were in the rust belt, in and around the Chicago area. It's just not something I ever remotely felt the need to replace. And I don't know anyone personally who has. Or has suffered a mishap for not doing it. And 56 years is a hell of a long time to be "lucky"... If that has anything to do with it.
Not too uncommon on the 13th generation F150, and mine has 160,000 miles on it. Not typically a PM item for me either. I don’t typically buy new cars and have had to change 4 hoses due to caliper locking in my time on the road. $50 is cheap insurance, and I’m doing a brake fluid flush at the same time https://www.f150forum.com/f118/2015-f150-front-brake-hose-failure-519662/
 
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Hey this is an older thread so sorry for bringing this back up but...
My wife has a 2009 Lincoln MkS and last year rear caliper locked up and smoked (literally) the rotor and the pad.
Mechanic replaced both pads and rotors and said that everything looks ok and he doesn't know why its doing it. Year later that same rear driver side caliper starts locking up and smoking.
I replaced pads and rotors myself and replaced the hose. The hose was in really bad condition internally and was probably collapsing casing the drag and lockup. Outside it looked great though.
 
Hey this is an older thread so sorry for bringing this back up but...
My wife has a 2009 Lincoln MkS and last year rear caliper locked up and smoked (literally) the rotor and the pad.
Mechanic replaced both pads and rotors and said that everything looks ok and he doesn't know why its doing it. Year later that same rear driver side caliper starts locking up and smoking.
I replaced pads and rotors myself and replaced the hose. The hose was in really bad condition internally and was probably collapsing casing the drag and lockup. Outside it looked great though.
How do you know it was in bad condition internally?
 
If your pads and rotor is extremely hot ,crack bleeder open it will spray fluid because a small portion of hose internal is separated and not allowing fluid back to master cylinder after you are not braking.
 
How do you know it was in bad condition internally?
It collapsed with the application of vacuum. Also I have the Ukrainian made device called Eyeball Mk1 when combined with a light source works ok too. But at the ripe age of 41 it has trouble focusing.
 
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