bought a new honda push mower

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Nothing wrong with Honda mower! Its been the best we've ever had (besides Craftsmans pre 1990) We've had most all the major brands and everyone is right Briggs and Stratton is hit or miss and Tecumseh well there aren't really words good enough to describe how awful this hunk of rusted metal is, I've yet to see one live past 6 months.. NO reason to hate on the Honda GC engine. Ours has run strong for years and infact due to a communication error, or the lack of, the original oil stayed in that engine for the first 9 years of its life. On its second oil change (spring 2013) i put in Texaco Havoline and after a few months i realized this was oil from 2000, so i changed it out to pennzoil ultra needless to say that honda didn't care that I had put in 13 year old already opened conventional oil, it chugged right on. I have also used this mower commercially and its the bomb to say the least. The double blades, which btw can be found at home depot for relatively cheap the 2 blades come in one box!), and it leaves the cleanest cut, in-fact zoysia grass looks like a golf course after the honda has had its way. The twin blades cut AND fine mulch all at once and it takes a while to fill up that bag on a properly maintained yard. Heck, i even hit a big metal stake from a street sign that was no longer there I didn't see it in the grass and i mowed right into it, and let me tell you it made the most God awful sound when the blades hit it and it killed the engine instantly. I never want to hear that sound again, yet that Honda GC engine fired right back up first pull didn't miss a beat like nothing ever happened. Use your honda mower with confidence there is no reason you cant see 30 solid years out of that mower if not more
 
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I've got the GCV 160 in my HRR mower. No problems after 4 yrs. Starts on the first pull. 2 oil changes a yr (Valvoline 10w30 conventional) and fresh fuel helps keep things clean.
 
to the OP. Honda engines are very nice motors. they sip fuel. as a result, they do Not do well if they are refueled in dusty conditions.... dust gets into the fuel and clogs the carb. I highly recommend splicing a small fuel filter inline before the carb... it will prevent a very common complaint that we seem to have--- carbs not running right.
 
I finally put a fuel filter on my two Honda engines this year. I've never had a problem out of either of them (fuel or otherwise), but I figured that my luck has to run out at some point, right?

I have a 2003 GCV-160 and a 2001 GXV-140. Both are awesome engines and they share the load of 3-4 yards each week. Neither has asked for anything special in terms of maintenance or repair. Just fuel and oil, and a spark plug and air filter every now and again. The GCV-160 is transplanted onto a Lawn-Boy staggered-wheel deck and it's the easiest mower I've ever used. Very light, very maneuverable, very simple. The GXV-140 is on an HR215SXA, and that thing is a tank. Very thick commercial-quality aluminum deck, shaft drive, 3-speed gear transmission, etc. It's very heavy, but it'll run for a hundred years.
 
I admit, I have limited experience with Techumseh engines, but a buddy at work gave me his old LawnBoy silver series a couple years ago with a 4hp Techumseh on it, and other than a torn pull cord, it has never given me a lick of trouble. Its a 94 or 95 model, and he abused it, freely admitted that he mowed over rocks and tree roots with it, and when I got it, it had maybe 3table spoons of what looked like tar in it, so its led a hard life. It uses maybe 4oz of oil per season and is great on gas.
 
All Tecumseh vertical shaft engines have pressurized lubrication systems (few people know that). They don't have oil filters, but they do have pressure lube. In my experience, I prefer Tecumseh vertical shaft singles to Briggs vertical shaft singles.
 
Tecumseh went out of business 5 years ago. They were a viable option, but parts are getting harder to find. I ran a Tecumseh at my grandparents house for about 15 years and it still ran when we junked it for a new mower.
 
Originally Posted By: SigQAEngineer
Why ? I'd like to hear your logic behind this ?

Originally Posted By: dave123
Originally Posted By: SigQAEngineer
This is strictly personal preference, but I run my air cooled engines w/ Non-Detergent motor oil until they're broken in.

Reason being detergents suspend dirt particles in oil so filter elements can trap them therefore removing the contaminants from engine.

Non-Detergent counter parts are the opposite, the metal particles from a new engine are not suspended in ND motor oil, instead particles will settle to bottom of oil pan until you drain it out.

IMO any engine without an oil filter would benefit from ND oil until they are properly broken in.

When I bought my bike (BMW), Owners Manual clearly specified not to drain factory oil ahead of schedule ( it had ND oil from Germany). Just food for thought.

People should never listen to this ever.


Because it's impossible for anything to "settle to the bottom" in a splash lubricated engine. That and the fact non-detergent has no anti-wear additives at all and will make the engine wear out much faster.
 
Originally Posted By: dave123
Originally Posted By: SigQAEngineer
This is strictly personal preference, but I run my air cooled engines w/ Non-Detergent motor oil until they're broken in.

Reason being detergents suspend dirt particles in oil so filter elements can trap them therefore removing the contaminants from engine.

Non-Detergent counter parts are the opposite, the metal particles from a new engine are not suspended in ND motor oil, instead particles will settle to bottom of oil pan until you drain it out.

IMO any engine without an oil filter would benefit from ND oil until they are properly broken in.

When I bought my bike (BMW), Owners Manual clearly specified not to drain factory oil ahead of schedule ( it had ND oil from Germany). Just food for thought.


People should never listen to this ever.

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I agree 100% with Dave123.
Personally, you can do/think what you want SigQAEngineer, but this is BAD advice for others to follow.

Also, to the Tecumseh haters, there wasn't/isn't a thing wrong with Tecumseh's 3hp to 6hp L-head lawnmower engines. In fact, in the world of cheap lawnmower engines, there were several things that made them superior to the competing B&S engines.
 
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