Bosch D3330 - Cut open, no tears but.......

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Originally Posted By: Nate1979
If there was no problem how do you explain the adhesive caught in the filter media?
IMHO, that's trouble, don't want pieces of that floating around, if it gets through somehow, it's going to clog something important.
 
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
If there was no problem how do you explain the adhesive caught in the filter media?
But the adhesive did not come the end cap did it? It seemed to be from a media joint or something of the like. I have had 2 MC filters (FL-820s and a FL-500s) with the end cap that fell off upon disassembly. Though I know the spring will hold all in place, it just seems wrong for it to do that.
 
Originally Posted By: gregk24
Fiber end caps please? Anybody?


These are NOT fiber end caps that the media is potted to.

I cannot speak to the exact manufacturing process that was used, but it appears that "potting" (I'll use that term for now) is dispensed into the metal end cap and the media is then placed into the potting.

Originally Posted By: Nate1979
If there was no problem how do you explain the adhesive caught in the filter media?


I don't know for sure if this is potting or not. It just looks like it is. There is evidence of excess potting stuck to the circumference of the bottom end cap. My guess is a piece came off that's what's caught in the filter.

Oil flows outside --> in with respect to the media. However, there is a spring loaded bypass valve (coil spring and disk) on the bottom end cap. I have no idea if anything other than oil would have passed through this opening.
 
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Originally Posted By: sayjac
^^^ You're entitled to your point of view as I am to mine. I agree with poster's conclusion I quoted. Same phemomenon with similar construction principles, potting designed with adhesion to metal endcap. Same result on both the Denso and topic'd filter regarding specifically the endcap falling off on filter and dissection. As long as leaf or coil spring functioning as designed to securely hold element, no oil bypass. Based on my reading here over the years, that too is the consensus of opinion.

Classic endcap construction is being compared here, ie., metal endcaps, and thus comparison to no endcap design is unrelated/irrelevant to the discussion imo. Different construction type. But since addressed, as has also been shown here many times, no endcap type filters test relatively low in efficiency as compared to majority classic construction filters from major manufacturers. End off topic portion.


The picture of a protrusion that seals the glue on the flat area just around the center tube on the Denso and no protrusion is seen on the Bosch are facts, not opinion. Given the pictures shown here such as they are. The reason that fact applies to mentioning no end cap filters is they also have a sealing indentation ring in the glue around the center tube. That seal is what prevents flow around the media.
Neither the Denso or Bosch end caps look to have been adhered at all to the glue, smooth and clean. My opinion on that is that is probably how they are made, unless these two are special. Maybe, like I said before, the Bosch seals the center tube with the ring that enters the center tube. As far as no end cap filters having low efficiency, I have seen only one professional reference to that, on one brand and model Toyota filter, in Amsoil's graph. That hardly is proof being one test on one filter by a competitor. The end caps obviously have nothing to do with efficiency. The new Denso filters have two ply media, no data on those.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
No harm in the end cap falling off. The internal spring keeps everything compressed together.....

This.

And same phenomenon shown on the well respected Denso First Time Fit oil filter linked.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2935601

And the pleat end area covered by endcap shown with spring pressure is significantly greater than that on fiber endcap offerings designed to be sealed by leaf spring pressure over a narrow area.


Thanks for the link. Like I posted, I just found this unusual. I'm not tripping over this. I have never personally experience this before.
 
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I thought Bosch Distance+ oil filters had metal end caps ... guess I was wrong. Maybe I thought that because of the Bosch Long Life and Premium filters.
 
Originally Posted By: paulo57509
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
No harm in the end cap falling off. The internal spring keeps everything compressed together.....

This.

And same phenomenon shown on the well respected Denso First Time Fit oil filter linked.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2935601

And the pleat end area covered by endcap shown with spring pressure is significantly greater than that on fiber endcap offerings designed to be sealed by leaf spring pressure over a narrow area.


Thanks for the link. Like I posted, I just found this unusual. I'm not tripping over this. I have never personally experience this before.

No problem. And as said, not just my opinion but knowledgeable consensus here is that as long as the retainer spring is functioning as designed, whether Purolator made or FTF Denso linked it's the same, no oil bypass and thus no effect on function. Just common sense too really.

And as noted it's been seen enough that it's been given a name, endcap popper.
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac
And as noted it's been seen enough that it's been given a name, endcap popper.
Two thumbs up!
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Originally Posted By: goodtimes

Neither the Denso or Bosch end caps look to have been adhered at all to the glue, smooth and clean. My opinion on that is that is probably how they are made....


I'm in agreement with that assessment. No glue at all on the metal end caps tells me they were manufactured never having been glued to the media. Seems to be a common oil filter construction technique, obviously saving a bit on the filters manufacturing cost. Wix has a nice coil spring, which I'd prefer over a leaf with such construction.
 
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