bosch D + * Not Impressed * PICS

[SilverC6]

Originally Posted By: stchman
Why do people in the US think that the Europeans(especially the Germans) are incapable of making a sub-standard product?

If BMWs, Mercedes, and Audis are so perfect, they would not even need service centers at their dealerships.


Most people have never compared a German Mahle side by side with a Purolator.

Similarly, most people have never driven a BMW and compared it to a Buick or Cadillac or Lincoln in the same size/wheelbase/category.

I have to say I felt the same way as you until I bought my first used 5 series BMW for my wife.

I drove that car often and marveled every time I got behind the wheel at its balance, pointability, and performance.

There is nothing perfect about a BMW. But they are very satisfying.

Never got the same feeling with a Merc or Audi.

 

[WankelRotorHead]

Bosch = Purolator...the D+ is PureONE, the only difference over the standard Bosch is a larger can and a silicone gasket. Oh, and they come in a fancy plastic box.

 

[David1]

Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
And another perfectly fine one HERE


i still feel for 12$ you should get more for your $.

I mean it looks like a Pure One in a Blue Can....

I mean they look the same.... Probably are the same exact thing.

Is the Filter Media even syn or a syn blend media?

I mean they cost as much a ROYAL PURPLE Oil Filter and at least thre RP comes with steal backing...

 

[David1]

Originally Posted By: Olas
Originally Posted By: stchman
Originally Posted By: Olas
Its sad that Bosch allow a sub standard 3rd party to manufacture filters that will bear the Bosch name.

You guys need to start buying Bosch, Mahle and Mann from Europe where they are made, rather than using US copies that aren't upto the standards that we would expect.


Why do people in the US think that the Europeans(especially the Germans) are incapable of making a sub-standard product?

If BMWs, Mercedes, and Audis are so perfect, they would not even need service centers at their dealerships.


They don't think that, they think it's ok to buy rebadged purolators that masquerade as something else. Would you be satisfied with a Rolex that came out of the Casio factory and had a different badge put on it?


Now thats a good one

Well I sold on FRAM ULTRA and or HONDA A01 or even A02 amd TG

 

[David1]

Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Yeah look how that Bosch filter fell apart into the drain pan. Like a FRAM. Should use a WIX. They WICK the dirt out of the oil 99.9999% exactly @ 20 microns, that's where they got the name WIX. WIX, use WIX. All others are inferior as they include the bigger particles filtered in their data so it sounds like more than it is. They cheat. WIX does not cheat.


What do you mean like a FRAM ?

I have cut open Fram ULTRA and even FRAM HIGH MILAGE oil filters and they have been fine.

Now the FRAMs were removed at 3000 miles.

I think the bad pics we see of FRAMS are when they are left on a car for over the suggested OCI.

Im starting to think the steal end cap stuff is bull.

I mean if you look.. whats good is a cardboard or glue endcap stuck into a metal endcap???

Im still for metal end caps... but Im starting to question them,

Now on some filters you do need them like a filter that has a steal wire backing..

It needs the metal end cap.

but Im starting to question the whole steal end cap thing on a filter that has a 3000 mile OCI.

Think about it.

also I have seen many FRAM A02s that are basically FRAM TG with 7000 miles and they look
perfectly fine.

Look at the Filtech A01 , it dont have steal end caps and i have cut them open myself and they look perfect at 7000 miles.

What do you all think?????????

Do you really think that meal end caps is all that matters???

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
.....the D+ is PureONE, the only difference over the standard Bosch is a larger can and a silicone gasket........
That would be incorrect.

BD+ is not a P1. The BD+ uses a thicker can and baseplate than P1. The BD+ also has rated holding capacity more than twice that of the P1(13g). The media is different than the P1, BD+ is a cellulous synthetic blend.

The BD+ does use a silicone adbv, as does P1 and Bosch Premium. None of them use a silicone sealing gasket, it's nitrile. P1 advertises PTFE treated gasket. The Bosch Prem uses standard black colored nitrile sealing gasket. P1 and Bosch Prem are most similar, likely clones. BD+ different. And again the last one I used two oci's posted HERE. One thing true though, they come in clear plastic box.

As for Bosch US filters being made by Mann&Hummel owned Purolator, been over two years now since Bosch sold their half interest in Purolator US to M&H, plenty of time to find another manufacturer and move on. They've stayed with the Mann owned manufacturer to put their name on the filter. Can only assume must be satisfied with continuing support of their Euro based bros company.

Bottom line, Mann&Hummel as full owners are now completely responsible and calling the shots for all Purolator US filter manufacturing operations.

 

[bullwinkle]

^Agree-the D+ media (to me) has always reminded me of the Mobil 1 & Fram TG media-synthetic blend, not wire backed. The D+ filters I have are the HEAVIEST, thickest ones I've used, heavier than even the Fleetguards & Royal Purple ones, tank-like can & baseplate construction. The P1 is much more similar to the Bosch Premium, tear prone media, flimsy can. If there was a way to combine the D+ can with media from an Ultra, Royal Purple, or the Stratapore it would be AWESOME! This cap popping off issue is really not a problem-the leaf spring is going to keep all the parts together inside, unless it rattles before you put it on.

 

[goodtimes]

The D+ claims .020" can thickness, synthetic media, and 99% @ 40 microns I believe. I just put one on with the round holes. The ADBV is different and I think better on those, maybe the whole thing is different. Otherwise I wouldn't use it if it had the oval holes. Too bad the tearing issue wasn't company addressed by Mann/Hummel. The Pure One is still a great filter in design with 99.9% @ 20 and a lot of good features. That's why they were loved so much I guess. Too bad. I wonder if the PL14610 had tearing issues.

 

[ExMachina]

"Bypass" all the hidden bad construction in spin-on oil filters.
Some fleets are switching to See Link Here for Conversion to Cartridge Filters.

That way you can only buy the element cartridge, not repeat-buying an error prone canister every time. You can inspect the cartridge too b4 installation too.

 

[HerrStig]

Originally Posted By: stchman
Originally Posted By: Olas
Its sad that Bosch allow a sub standard 3rd party to manufacture filters that will bear the Bosch name.

You guys need to start buying Bosch, Mahle and Mann from Europe where they are made, rather than using US copies that aren't upto the standards that we would expect.


Why do people in the US think that the Europeans(especially the Germans) are incapable of making a sub-standard product?

If BMWs, Mercedes, and Audis are so perfect, they would not even need service centers at their dealerships.
We just finished rehabing a 633CSI, expensive when new, but more than one or two "engineering by M. Mouse" instances visible, including the choice of "TRX" tires on odd sized 15.5 inch rims which y'all can't buy any more.

 

[ExMachina]

http://www.bollandmachine.com/resources/...s-June-2006.pdf

 

[HerrStig]

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
"Bypass" all the hidden bad construction in spin-on oil filters.
Some fleets are switching to See Link Here for Conversion to Cartridge Filters.

That way you can only buy the element cartridge, not repeat-buying an error prone canister every time. You can inspect the cartridge too b4 installation too.

A solution looking for a problem. Millions of spin on's are installed every day without incident. It might save a taxi fleet some dough but the cartridge assembly isn't foolproof either.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: HerrStig
.... A solution looking for a problem. Millions of spin on's are installed every day without incident. It might save a taxi fleet some dough but the cartridge assembly isn't foolproof either.
Yep.

Could link more than couple ugly looking post use cartridges posted here, but no need.

 

[David1]

Well Im sure many would at least agree the B D+ is not worth the $ they charge for it.

Does anyone agree with that?

Do you agree they are over priced?

I do.

How do you feel?

 

[ltslimjim]

^I had 2 of 3 on my previous vehicle develop leaky gaskets soon after an oil change. Why did I use 3 total? Well, I got 4 actually for the price of 1 with a rebate deal a few years ago. Never again Bosch D+ for my cars. M1 EP is probably the most I'll pay for an oil filter. Ultra option B. Wix/Napa Gold after that, etc.

 

[David1]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
^I had 2 of 3 on my previous vehicle develop leaky gaskets soon after an oil change. Why did I use 3 total? Well, I got 4 actually for the price of 1 with a rebate deal a few years ago. Never again Bosch D+ for my cars. M1 EP is probably the most I'll pay for an oil filter. Ultra option B. Wix/Napa Gold after that, etc.


So you agree they are over priced?

I think they are over priced....

 

[ltslimjim]

^A bit. Royal Purple oil filters even more, though.