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Yeah Space X rockets keep blowing up with Musk replying that "They're learning alot." Not sure how many rocket space x needs to lose to be consumed successful.
He is with every launch and each failure. I have to cut Musk and his team some slack. To find the reason, one only has to look at our manned space program that started in the 50's.

We had more than our fair share of mishaps and explosions developing our boosters. We had all but countless Vanguard and Atlas booster failures. One of the biggest was a Vanguard failure that was broadcast live on national television. I remember watching it with my father.

Glenn was warned, and already knew about the dangers of the Atlas rocket before his first orbital flight. As far as manned flight overall, we were just plain lucky not to lose anyone in actual flight in all 3 programs. Even Apollo 13 was regarded by many as a, "successful failure".

Apollo 1 was a horrible disaster that didn't have to happen. Pushing a bad design, (a 100% oxygen cabin environment), in order to meet Kennedy's deadline, led to 3 astronauts being burned alive.

Both Shuttle disasters were due to pushing bad positions they knew about. (While it is somewhat arguable if the Columbia crew could have been rescued).

Will Musk be able to make Space-X "safe" and profitable at the same time? Perhaps by a very narrow margin. But that remains to be seen. Musk is one of the wealthiest men on this planet.

But that in itself doesn't mean much when compared to NASA. They were funded by the government.... And when they gave them more money, they only had to buy paper and ink.
 
In that era, I think there was only one fatal incident that was totally due to spacecraft malfunction, and that was Russian. A crew of three died when cabin pressure escaped through a faulty valve.

In more recent years, the US Shuttles proved to be very dangerous compared to Russian capsule-based craft.
That was the 3-man crew in June 1971 IIRC. An early Soyuz spacecraft I think.

There was also Vladimir Komarov, who died when the 'chutes snarled on his spacecraft. Late 1967 I think.

Of course there have always been rumors that we in the West only heard about the ones the Soviets couldn't cover up.

How many died when the big booster (Energia?) exploded on the pad only weeks before Apollo 11?
 
You have to give Elon credit where it is due. Let's say you compare SpaceX to Blue Origin's ..... adult toy. Which one really works and which one is being pushed to the bleeding edge where the other is really just "I am rich and I want to win". Having placed all his networth at one point for space really tell you more about how much he is all in vs those leadership principle and "be frugal" way of engineering.

Starlink was ridiculous, SpaceX was ridiculous, but he was able to pull it off because he bet everything on it. I wouldn't invest in his companies but I would think he can pull off way more than Jeff or Boeing. Once he got it working obviously playing #2 is much lower risk.
 
Aren't Boeing rockets 10x more expensive than SpaceX? Why are they even involved when Musk can do it all on a budget?
Being 10% better can often be 10x more expensive. Is this rocket better (i.e. can get something to orbit or just mate with a space station and then crash back down)?
 
I think he is referring to the Apollo moon missions, with the first lunar landing being made barely seven years after JFK launched the effort, based on sixties technology with none of the technical knowledge extant today.
 
I went to Kennedy space center and saw the rockets the first astronauts took into space. They were basically bombs with a tin can on top. If they built a car like they built those capsules they wouldn't allow it on the street.

I read The Right Stuff by Tom Wolfe. His take was a constant refrain from American observers that “our rockets blow up”. There were a lot of early failures.
 
I read The Right Stuff by Tom Wolfe. His take was a constant refrain from American observers that “our rockets blow up”. There were a lot of early failures.
Generally an excellent book, although I thought Wolfe was unfair to Gus Grissom w.r.t. the sinking of Liberty Bell 7, Grissom's Mercury capsule.

After Liberty Bell 7 was recovered many years later (1999?) I thought they had found some deformation of the doorway around the hatch, which helped explain why the hatch itself blew off prematurely. (Unfortunately, the recovery operation did not find the hatch, which might have settled the issue for good.)

There was also a theory a few years ago that there may have been a discharge of static electricity from the recovery helicopter down to the capsule, detonating the hatch's explosive bolts.

And right from the beginning, it was apparent that Grissom's hand was not bruised, which almost certainly would have happened had he blown the hatch.

Yet, Wolfe seemed to rely only on a few limited sources (obviously Pete Conrad and Chuck Yeager) to push the idea that Gus was at fault.

I had hoped that Wolfe would release a revised edition, taking later evidence into account.

However, could Wolfe ever write! The book is engrossing.
 
They've docked and entered the ISS. I can't find any articles yet that mention the entrance, but I was watching it live on the NASA feed. It took about two hours from docking to when they got off.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/...le-set-docking-with-space-station-2024-06-06/
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As I understand what is going on, they cannot come back the way the went. Boeing, it is said, had cost overruns and never finished the reentry software. So it's up to Musk or the Russians for a rescue?
Yeah…I’m ehhh…not sure I’d be feeling all that great if my 10 day mission turned into 8 months and some other launch service had to come get me.
 
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