Body work done

[roushstage2]

Originally Posted By: bretfraz
I don't automatically believe the voices on the internet or trust second-hand statements from somebody who received an email from someone. If I have a question I go right to the source and get my info direct. In this case it would be the painter or the mfr of the car care product I was using. Everything else is hearsay or worse.

I have no idea why you are rattling on about catalyzed paint. The only person who has brought that up in this thread is you. Nobody else seems to care.

I have no idea who you are referring to as, "other highly experienced experts". My information about Zaino comes directly from Zaino, no other source or expert is involved. If you want to know what Zaino suggests about using their products on fresh paint, why not contact them personally and find out for yourself?

Do yourself a favor - Stop believing and trusting all the chatter on the web. The vast majority of it is wrong or misguided.


I'll say it again. The emails are from Zaino, not some random person making second hand statements. I mention catalyzed paint because that is what is mentioned from Zaino as paint that is ready to be waxed right away since it cures very quickly. I am failing to see how I am "believing and trusting all the chatter on the web" by reading what Zaino has passed out as information.

Here is an e-mail from Sal Zaino. I hope you don't consider this "chatter" as well, that I found somewhere on the web.
Quote:
There's alot of misinformation about waiting three months for the paint to
cure.

I am a custom painter by trade. I am very familar with Dupont, PPG and
all the other paint manufacturers.

The most I personally would wait on fresh "aftermarket body shop" paint
before
polishing with Zaino Show Car Polish is 1 week. That's more than sufficient
curing time.

Zaino contains no wax, silicones or abrasives.....

The new paints are catalyzed. A chemical reaction cures the paint. The
older lacquers and enamels needed time for the solvents to release. This
is not the case anymore. Believe me if that paint need 3 months to dry
than it will never dry.... Just the facts.

For the Ultimate in paint protection and an incredible Show Car finish on your above scenario. I recommend purchasing the Zaino Bros' Total Protection Show Car Kit.. Code# ZKIT-1

NOTE: Z-18 CLAYbar is not necessary on fresh paint...

 

[bretfraz]

That's better. Too bad you didn't produce that email earlier, we could have saved all this bandwidth. Information directly from the source is always best, so if you have it, reveal it.

As everyone can see, Zaino states you can use their polish/sealant a week after a car has been painted, supporting what I and "wannafbody" have already stated.

 

[bretfraz]

OK, I made two mistakes in this thread that I want to address and apologize for.

1. Not clarifying the term "fresh paint". I assumed fresh paint means at least a week old, but clearly roushstage2 and others had a different definition. I should have pressed roushstage2 for his definition and I didn't. I followed his lead on the definition of the term, which was a mistake.

2. I did not challenge roushstage2 about his, "I've seen threads..." comment or his assertion that he had seen an email from Zaino regarding this subject. I should have requested he provide valid weblinks and a copy of the email as supporting proof. Instead, I took him at his word regarding both issues, which was a mistake.

I apologize to BITOG'ers everywhere for any confusion or consternation I have caused.


Trying hard to be a better "bretfraz" in 2010, I remain.

 

[roushstage2]

Originally Posted By: bretfraz
That's better. Too bad you didn't produce that email earlier, we could have saved all this bandwidth. Information directly from the source is always best, so if you have it, reveal it.

As everyone can see, Zaino states you can use their polish/sealant a week after a car has been painted, supporting what I and "wannafbody" have already stated.
Me thinking Zaino would have given out the same information to everyone, I too made a boo boo and assumed you would have understood the whole catalyzed paint part. I did mention earlier, however, that they were e-mails from Zaino. Either way, all I was getting at, is if it isn't the catalyzed paint that Zaino is speaking off, I wouldn't wax that soon since it won't cure or dry that fast. You say "as everyone can see," yet leave the last half of what Zaino says out of your statement. As for "taking me at my word at both issues and it being a mistake...," I was simply basing what I was saying from, again, the information Zaino provided, as I said. Though, I'm not sure why you would classify paint as "fresh" the longer it has been on the car? It seems more so, that you simply have either failed to completely read what I typed, or just "didn't want to hear it," and skipped right over it. You Zaino people are just like the Mobil 1 folks. Get butt hurt over anything said about said product if it isn't what you think is correct or the truth. I'm done with thread because your remarks are becoming more asinine as it goes on (see you last post prior to this, including bolding my name and so on. I'd provide a link for you so you can cleary see the information I am talking about, so there is no confusion, but hoping you will be able to find said information on your own without having to "press" me for it), nor completely reading or quoting what I typed and then playing the see-I-told-you-so-game with half of the text. Have a good one sir!

 

[MKZman]

Hmmm.

When I got my truck re-painted several years ago (Sherwin-Williams paint), I met the S-W rep when I picked it up the second (after they left the paint in a mess). He said I needed to wait 90 days before waxing.

Has paint made some break through then so it is fast curing?

 

[roushstage2]

Catalyzed paints do cure more quickly; not to be confused with almost instantly as some think. Not all cars get painted with that type of curing/drying agent (binder is the technical name for them) though --> the point I was trying to make. The actual problem of what could happen if you waxed your paint early is, granted, on the rare side, but if you just paid a few thousand out of pocket for a nice paint job, would you want to risk it? That's pretty much what it comes down to. Do you want to take the chance or not. That "chance" is rare, but if it happens to you...

 

[MKZman]

I guess I need to talk to someone why they know know more than the S-W rep.

 

[roushstage2]

EDIT: Wrong thread, NVM