Bob Lazar and Robert Bigelow

[buster]

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan.

Put your bias aside, and watch the following videos. What are your thoughts? Take your time and if you can watch all the videos before responding. I'm curious what people think.

 

[Greggy_D]

We've had the ability of Interstellar travel for decades. The chemical pop rockets we use to go to LEO are a distraction.

Those are my thoughts.

 

[spasm3]

I thought Stanton Friedman checked out and had serious doubts about Bob Lazar's history and credibility.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted by spasm3
I thought Stanton Friedman checked out and had serious doubts about Bob Lazar's history and credibility.


Lazar claims they tried to erase his identity and background.

There are some people that when you listen to them, they seem totally legit. He's either lying or a fantastic actor.

His story has remained consistent for years.

 

[Onetor]

We are a zoo planet!

 

[Lolvoguy]

 

[EA82]

I wonder if Bob Lazar has any info on what aliens knew about the biggest mystery out there, is there life after death ??

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Is Dr. Steven Greer a liar too?

There are plenty of things that defy our limited understanding of the universe. Like how if a man is alone in the forest and says something, his wife instantly knows, wherever she is, that he's already wrong.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted by buster
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan.


If the scientific method is good enough for "normal" stuff, then it's equally valid for anything else...if it's good enough for quantum mechanics, then other "esoteric" phenomenon should only be held to a similar burden of proof.

To claim that because it's "supernatural" it needs additional proof is poor logic.

 

[buster]

Good point Shannow.

 

[UncleDave]

Lazar isnt telling us the whole truth, does'nt mean his whole story is a lie, but lots of parts and pieces don't add up and never have. I remove him from my list.

Forget Lazar - recent events trump lazar.

Bigelow -I believe, he spent the money himself and got fed government intel on the subject. He doesn't need affirmation, confirmation, buy in, or anything for that matter. He also builds the inflatable habitat for the ISS Bigelow areospace is legit.

Proof - The F18 pilot that recently captured footage of something off the coast of san diego then went on national TV with the footage to talk about it is THE definition of a credible witness with what in any other case would be defined as proof. He doesn't believe what he saw was from here.

We are simply buried in evidence, we got radar footage, gun cam footage, mountains of paperwork, ex military Minuteman missile silo guys having entire groups of missiles go offline during encounters, pilots like captain Terachi who wrecked his career talking about what he saw, other pilots, military, and rocket launch long range optical camera guys the list of actual credible witnesses that. We have evidence of military cover up with threats to remain silent to witnesses to these events.

The evidence is just overwhelming.

PROOF the only way we get that is to have an alien artifact in hand or if they land on the whitehouse.
We have about as much chance of shooting one down as an amazon warrior does bringing down an A10 with a blowgun.

We are being lied to and Im sick of it.


UD

 

[WyrTwister]

UFO's ? Not saying they do not exist . Examine your faith . From another person's point of view , could they interpret it as alien activity ?

I personally believe in God the Father , God the Son and the Holy Spirit . All others are created beings . Remember all those that rebelled are lairs . All those that continued to follow God do not lie .

We are lied to , every day by humans and those that are not .

 

[Vuflanovsky]

I don't think I'd lump Bob Lazar in with Bigelow ( and I'm not necessarily saying that's what's being inferred ) as they're from similar from different areas of this topic. Ultimately, I might give conjecture that if the government knows a considerable amount of information about ETs, interdimensionals, alien technology, etc., then I can see a "be careful what you wish for" scenario involving this information.

Personally, I have very little doubt there are extraterrestrial and other "realms" that have intelligent lifeforms and they have the ability to reach us, study us, manipulate us, or otherwise have a level of control that would make the silence around this issue logical in terms of impacting mankind. The knowledge that we aren't alone would be the greatest event in human history and it's pretty naive to think that this knowledge wouldn't include significant baggage in terms of our history and our future. You've got to think there's the distinct possibility that a lot of this knowledge wouldn't be good in terms of man's ability to accept it.

 

[Yah-Tah-Hey]

Originally Posted by WyrTwister
UFO's ? Not saying they do not exist . Examine your faith . From another person's point of view , could they interpret it as alien activity ?

I personally believe in God the Father , God the Son and the Holy Spirit . All others are created beings . Remember all those that rebelled are lairs . All those that continued to follow God do not lie .

We are lied to , every day by humans and those that are not .
Those of us who don't hold to your triune god are "liars" you say? Maybe it's you that is confused. You just had to get that in print didn't you, even though the moderator has stated no politics or religion on this forum.

 

[john_pifer]

Originally Posted by Vuflanovsky
I don't think I'd lump Bob Lazar in with Bigelow ( and I'm not necessarily saying that's what's being inferred ) as they're from similar from different areas of this topic. Ultimately, I might give conjecture that if the government knows a considerable amount of information about ETs, interdimensionals, alien technology, etc., then I can see a "be careful what you wish for" scenario involving this information.

Personally, I have very little doubt there are extraterrestrial and other "realms" that have intelligent lifeforms and they have the ability to reach us, study us, manipulate us, or otherwise have a level of control that would make the silence around this issue logical in terms of impacting mankind. The knowledge that we aren't alone would be the greatest event in human history and it's pretty naive to think that this knowledge wouldn't include significant baggage in terms of our history and our future. You've got to think there's the distinct possibility that a lot of this knowledge wouldn't be good in terms of man's ability to accept it.


Like you, I believe that the chances of us being alone are too great for alien life NOT to exist. But, what I struggle with is, IF governments of the world know, it would be the biggest conspiracy in history. How are all those people kept quiet?

 

[Vuflanovsky]

Originally Posted by john_pifer
Originally Posted by Vuflanovsky
I don't think I'd lump Bob Lazar in with Bigelow ( and I'm not necessarily saying that's what's being inferred ) as they're from similar from different areas of this topic. Ultimately, I might give conjecture that if the government knows a considerable amount of information about ETs, interdimensionals, alien technology, etc., then I can see a "be careful what you wish for" scenario involving this information.

Personally, I have very little doubt there are extraterrestrial and other "realms" that have intelligent lifeforms and they have the ability to reach us, study us, manipulate us, or otherwise have a level of control that would make the silence around this issue logical in terms of impacting mankind. The knowledge that we aren't alone would be the greatest event in human history and it's pretty naive to think that this knowledge wouldn't include significant baggage in terms of our history and our future. You've got to think there's the distinct possibility that a lot of this knowledge wouldn't be good in terms of man's ability to accept it.


Like you, I believe that the chances of us being alone are too great for alien life NOT to exist. But, what I struggle with is, IF governments of the world know, it would be the biggest conspiracy in history. How are all those people kept quiet?


I'd have the same question...The NY Times story about the Nimitz group was considered a watershed moment where skeptics couldn't be skeptics just to be skeptics....they'd have to acknowledge something that was more than a weird anomaly but a series of documented events over a two week period. My take is that we don't know WHAT governments know....other than we can logically speculate they know more than they're telling. So to that degree, I'm not sure what constitutes a conspiracy and how maintainable it is or isn't if they're successful in having the "extended truth" only known by a finite set of people.

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted by john_pifer
How are all those people kept quiet?


Have they kept it quiet?

There were people who talked about White Plains NM ( near Roswell). Rendlelsham Forest, Shag Harbour. Photographs of MJ-12 documents sent out.

The most interesting thing, is that it appears that Majestic 12 existed. Stanton Friedman found the Cutler-Twining memo in the national archives. It was a memo about a scheduled MJ-12 meeting.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted by buster
Originally Posted by spasm3
I thought Stanton Friedman checked out and had serious doubts about Bob Lazar's history and credibility.


Lazar claims they tried to erase his identity and background.

There are some people that when you listen to them, they seem totally legit. He's either lying or a fantastic actor.

Unfortunately, I think he's a nutcase and dishonest. I ready his gibberish back in the usenet days. Lazar makes too many physics and math mistakes. I hadn't read if Friedman had outed him, but he easily could have caught his mistakes.

This claim of his that they are trying to erase his identity is just icing on the cake. They didn't erase the identifies of anyone on the Manhattan Project. In any case, why would they need to? He has no record of an advanced degree in physics because he doesn't understand physics and isn't qualified for such a degree, not because of his records being destroyed.

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted by Garak

Unfortunately, I think he's a nutcase and dishonest. I ready his gibberish back in the usenet days. Lazar makes too many physics and math mistakes. I hadn't read if Friedman had outed him, but he easily could have caught his mistakes.

This claim of his that they are trying to erase his identity is just icing on the cake. They didn't erase the identifies of anyone on the Manhattan Project. In any case, why would they need to? He has no record of an advanced degree in physics because he doesn't understand physics and isn't qualified for such a degree, not because of his records being destroyed.


http://stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07


http://web.archive.org/web/20061220030435/http://www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm

 

[Garak]

Yes, those are some of the things I've read about Lazar's claims, but hadn't actually been attributed to Friedman or Morgan. Lazar's lack of understanding in basic theoretical physics is appalling enough in a technical layman, much less a claimed physicist. Also, as Friedman points out, graduating high school with only chemistry and then going onto major in physics is problematic. It's not impossible, or even terribly difficult, but not ordinarily believable. A mature student might, just taking the pre-100 class to get him up to speed before taking the first year physics class. But, a high school student avoiding "free" grade 12 physics to go and pay the university for a [usually] non-credit pre-100 physics is a little odd. Someone going to a university science program, particularly physics, directly after high school usually has all his high school mathematics and science ducks in a row at the outset.

It's all kind of sad and entertaining at the same time. Lazar can clearly spin a nice yarn. He's also no dummy. But his compulsion to tell these tales, oy vey. He clearly has some sort of scientific aptitude and interest. I'm sure he could have accomplished a real degree had he devoted time to that instead of coming up with tales about an imagined past. He also probably could have written some interesting science fiction; then again, he has but simply hasn't admitted it's fiction.