BMW iM3 - The Future Electric M3 Super Sedan

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BMW iM3 from the Neue Klasse platform. The big dog...

What I found fascinating:
"BMW's new 'Heart of Joy' control unit, a fundamental component of Neue Klasse-based machines – will be instrumental in providing a distinct driving character for electric BMW performance cars"
"This is a controller that has taken the last 20 or 30 years of our experience into a control unit. Everything that is driving-performance related, chassis-control related, propulsion- [and] powertrain-related is now in one integrated control unit," he said.

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BMW iM3 from the Neue Klasse platform. The big dog...

What I found fascinating:
"BMW's new 'Heart of Joy' control unit, a fundamental component of Neue Klasse-based machines – will be instrumental in providing a distinct driving character for electric BMW performance cars"
"This is a controller that has taken the last 20 or 30 years of our experience into a control unit. Everything that is driving-performance related, chassis-control related, propulsion- [and] powertrain-related is now in one integrated control unit," he said.

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Its getting there.
Id bet this thing is an absolute riot up here in the mountains.

On a competitive note - their " heart of joy" system seems to be a fully integrated single CPU/GPU/ECU unit like teslas.
Should run about like a M3 Performance or an EV6 GT.

Is Neue Klasse running brushed motors?
 
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Its getting there.
Id bet this thing is an absolute riot up here in the mountains.

On a competitive note - their " heart of joy" system seems to be a fully integrated single CPU/GPU/ECU unit like teslas.
Should run about alike a M3 Performance or an EV6 GT.

Is Neue Klasse running brushed motors?
I do not think so.
 
Will see. What I appreciate is that they are not giving up on ICE and PHEV. Obviously, they don't have an issue with ADHD and can focus on all three.
The jerks ( ceo) have given up on manual transmissions, and went back to pathetic torque converter automatic transmissions versus the much better dct transmission. From the sound of it M3/M4 sales with manual transmission option is still a 25% take rate.
 
BMW iM3 from the Neue Klasse platform. The big dog...

What I found fascinating:
"BMW's new 'Heart of Joy' control unit, a fundamental component of Neue Klasse-based machines – will be instrumental in providing a distinct driving character for electric BMW performance cars"
"This is a controller that has taken the last 20 or 30 years of our experience into a control unit. Everything that is driving-performance related, chassis-control related, propulsion- [and] powertrain-related is now in one integrated control unit," he said.

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I don't care how fancy BMW tries to be, An M3 without the amazing S58 or M5 without the amazing S85 V10 ( or V8) are boring.
 
I don't care how fancy BMW tries to be, An M3 without the amazing S58 or M5 without the amazing S85 V10 ( or V8) are boring.
M vehicles were always about inline 6 engines. Even in 5 series. Having lighter engine in the front is always preferable. I am not sure you actually understand all the issues around emissions etc.
 
The jerks ( ceo) have given up on manual transmissions, and went back to pathetic torque converter automatic transmissions versus the much better dct transmission. From the sound of it M3/M4 sales with manual transmission option is still a 25% take rate.
No it is not better. DCT cannot sustain that torque as ZF8 can. You ate limited with dual clutch what you can do.
 
I don't care how fancy BMW tries to be, An M3 without the amazing S58 or M5 without the amazing S85 V10 ( or V8) are boring.
M vehicles were always about inline 6 engines. Even in 5 series. Having lighter engine in the front is always preferable. I am not sure you actually understand all the issues around emissions etc.

Not boring. Also not a 6, although it would have been interesting if BMW/M had designed an small displacement 6 for this car instead of the S14. The S14 did well for them though, so its hard to argue with that decision.

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Not boring. Also not a 6, although it would have been interesting if BMW/M had designed an small displacement 6 for this car instead of the S14. The S14 did well for them though, so its hard to argue with that decision.

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The 4cyl was kind of abomination. But, BMW said that they will for sure keep ICE until 2050. With EU backtracking on Euro7, and other issues, it could be longer. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if 4cyl find its way into M cars again.
 
It was remarkable engine, but not appropriate for E36 etc. The whole story around E30 M3 is vehicle by accident:).
We (the usa) from what I've read recently weren't supposed to get the E30 m3. The usa received a detuned engine in the e36.
 
Its getting there.
Id bet this thing is an absolute riot up here in the mountains.

On a competitive note - their " heart of joy" system seems to be a fully integrated single CPU/GPU/ECU unit like teslas.
Should run about like a M3 Performance or an EV6 GT.

Is Neue Klasse running brushed motors?
I think the scale is finally there that everyone can afford those high performance multicore CPU. I don't think you need a GPU for engine or motor control but you probably do for your entertainment console (surprise no one actually, video decompression and rendering takes more power than controlling engine and motors).

I hope they can open up some settings for tuners to work with if they want to mod, instead of having to lock and match every unit and you can't replace a broken module with something off a junkyard.
 
I think the scale is finally there that everyone can afford those high performance multicore CPU. I don't think you need a GPU for engine or motor control but you probably do for your entertainment console (surprise no one actually, video decompression and rendering takes more power than controlling engine and motors).

I hope they can open up some settings for tuners to work with if they want to mod, instead of having to lock and match every unit and you can't replace a broken module with something off a junkyard.

I think it's really hard and the industry over relies on third party controllers for almost everything, writing unified control take a large team lots of time.

Look at how VW is struggling with CARIAD.

We still dont really know whats under the hood of this thing.
It could be marketing hype and not all what it purports to be, or it could be really slick, low latency, and tuned better than anything.
 
I think it's really hard and the industry over relies on third party controllers for almost everything, writing unified control take a large team lots of time.

Look at how VW is struggling with CARIAD.

We still dont really know whats under the hood of this thing.
It could be marketing hype and not all what it purports to be, or it could be really slick, low latency, and tuned better than anything.

Controller development requires a lot of testing. Take the silicon for example, typically the industry would look at something and see if it has already been done and deployed, and known bugs fixed, and then license the block (i.e. your USB port, your ethernet port, your bluetooth, your can bus, etc) to other companies for a royalty payment instead of "we must build our own so we own it". If you look at the layout of a lot of the chips, you will see a rectangle in the middle, corner, edge, etc and then something build around it, then that whole thing will turn into another rectangle in another generation and be put into some other project and be the "rectangle" within. The most reliable design is something that has been around for a long time, and they are only updated / replaced if they can't scale up, otherwise they will do incremental improvement.

For a complete redesign, you will be trading this stability for something you want. It could be because the older design won't scale up, it could be because older design is in conflict with something new, it could also mean your older components are obsoleted and no longer available. This is something that one company will have a hard time doing if they do not have the scale big enough for the volume, and a lot of smaller companies go out of business because the redesign failed and they have no money to recover from it (i.e. older products can't sell, new products can't sell without a stable redesign).

Maybe VW / BMW / Mercedes are big enough to do it all by themselves, but if Bosch already has a good deal and a good design to buy from, they would be wise to just buy it or license it as the foundation for their own design (they can also buy from Denso if they are not loyal to German, or use that to leverage the negotiation). Sure you have to add extra stuff to support a new valve control mechanism or a new electric motor power regulator, etc, but you can focus your development on those instead of spending a lot to reinvent the wheel.

If Honda and Mazda have to do everything themselves instead of buying from Denso and Aisin, they would be bankrupt a long time ago. Toyota is smart to spin them off and keep them separate so they can sell to others as well to keep the economy of scale bigger.
 
As digital transformation continues to change our world, BMW and the rest will have to change, adapt and find their way. Everyone else is playing checkers while Tesla is playing chess. Anyone else's firmware development vertically integrated?

Tech is a differentiate-er, a disrupt-er and quickly becoming requisite. Go big or go home. Who's the big boy now?
 
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