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Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Originally Posted By: kkreit01
Check CR for the little black dots. I'm thinking both will have many.
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good lord, that's how you buy used cars???


It is a good place to start... you know who has reported the most problems and which years are more problematic than others.


As much as people hate CR this is true. And it's also true that both of these models probably have lots of bad ratings
 
Originally Posted By: rslifkin
Keep in mind, what some owners see as a a problem is just a minor inconvenience for others and vice versa. I take things like that with a grain of salt. Then again, I also don't mind working on a vehicle to keep ti in good shape, as long as I can count on it to be reliable and do what I ask when I need it to.


It is a survey, that is why you have to rely on a large enough sample. With enough respondents those "odd" respondents should be spread out and you will see that normal curve. If you have enough samples, the data becomes more reliable. CR's stats are good.

Sure, Car A can have nothing but great reliability ratings... but that does not mean the vehicle in front of your face will be any good. You can't take general information and apply it to the specific. That being said, if you wanted a place to START and which models were more reliable as a cohort than their peers, CR is "good". It is even better if you have years of CR's reports to compare. It is interesting for me to see than one vehicle got great 2-year ratings in 2009 but in 2013, as a 5yo car, it was not all that great. I personally feel that CR should go for 10 years of data but oh well. Anyway, CR is a good starting point and one good place for comparing models by a third-party non-industry invested publication... but it is not the end-all-be-all.
 
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Originally Posted By: kkreit01
Check CR for the little black dots. I'm thinking both will have many.
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good lord, that's how you buy used cars???


I haven't bought a used car in 15+ years. Nor do I buy new cars based on any magazines recommendations/tests. I buy what I want. CR could be used as 1 reference tool. What would you recommend? Surfing the forums? I was being somewhat facetious in my post. Hence the smiley face. However, neither of those choices have a history of being very reliable. Purchasing either would be a gamble unless you know the previous owner.
 
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Originally Posted By: silverrat
CR sure beats coming here and asking model by model


no it doesn't. you have people here who understand how to take care of a vehicle. just running to japanese makes blindly is for dummies.

"lookit all the circles"
 
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Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Originally Posted By: silverrat
CR sure beats coming here and asking model by model


no it doesn't. you have people here who understand how to take care of a vehicle. just running to japanese makes blindly is for dummies.

"lookit all the circles"


People here tend to just recommend what they already own and are biased in that way. Next time a thread comes up watch the Accord owner recommend an Accord and a Crown Vic owner do the same. Read CR as a part of your own research, then do further research and come to a conclusion that suits your needs
 
Originally Posted By: silverrat
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Originally Posted By: silverrat
CR sure beats coming here and asking model by model


no it doesn't. you have people here who understand how to take care of a vehicle. just running to japanese makes blindly is for dummies.

"lookit all the circles"


People here tend to just recommend what they already own and are biased in that way. Next time a thread comes up watch the Accord owner recommend an Accord and a Crown Vic owner do the same. Read CR as a part of your own research, then do further research and come to a conclusion that suits your needs


once you find out the quirks, or bad years (every make has them) then that information can help you find the best of the bunch. Instead of turning every thread into a "buy a 4 runner or camry" stream of posts, why not listen to actual owners? I know people driving cherokees and blazer/s-10's with 200-300 thousand plus on them
 
Curious I found an 01 forester looks clean 153,000 miles but they haven't ever done the head gaskets they aren't sure if owner before them did. Is there a way to tell or should I be Leary ?
 
Originally Posted By: ram_man
Curious I found an 01 forester looks clean 153,000 miles but they haven't ever done the head gaskets they aren't sure if owner before them did. Is there a way to tell or should I be Leary ?


Not all Subaru HG fail... just enough to take note (and the different year failed differently).

Yes, you can tell with the Phase II (early 2000s) engines as they tend to be external failures. So you will see leaking if it is bad or your can do a coolant/exhaust test to see if there is exhaust gasses in the coolant if the leak is minor. Still, it can not tell you if it is going to fail in a few miles (risk with used...hey, that is the way it rolls sometimes). However, testdrive the car for a while... a long good wile and get it up to temp for a good long time (and under a strenuous load if possible. If it raises above 40-45% on the dial, ie above the "water" on the temp icon, you might have an issue. If you can't get it up to that 40% mark, you might have a problem. Any temp variability can be an indicator of the HG issue.

Also, make sure you have OEM parts related to cooling the car, especially the thermostat, (aftermarket parts might increase the likelihood of the HG issues) and check to see if the fluids are good. Subaru provides the liquid HG repair in a bottle as "preventative" measures for the PhaseII engines.

With the 2.5, you also look for the Timing Belt records (or have it inspected). You check for excessive torque-bind (parking lot figure 8s with the steering wheel to lock). Check the tires. Mis-matched tires, old/new, and unequal treads depth can damage the AWD system.

The 4EAT trannys are often golden even when abused. Transmission mounts can be a bit less robust so it can send transmission related vibrations to the rest of the car under load. So if there are any tranny concerns, have it checked out as it might be a very easy fix.

It is a very good car. It would be snapped up in an instant in my area.
 
Originally Posted By: silverrat
CR sure beats coming here and asking model by model


No smart people go visit the forum for that vehicle. You will get the good and bad on them and what to look out for.

CR report is not quality data, statistically flawed because it isnt random data. If they sent out enough requests randomly then their data would be useful but most ot is garbage and skewed and their test methods are garbage, I used to work in R&d for lighting products and you use IES standards and test procedures, CR's procedures were a joke.

lastly CR's data is more along first 90 days satisfaction, not much more.
 
Originally Posted By: VNTS
Originally Posted By: silverrat
CR sure beats coming here and asking model by model


No smart people go visit the forum for that vehicle. You will get the good and bad on them and what to look out for.

CR report is not quality data, statistically flawed because it isnt random data. If they sent out enough requests randomly then their data would be useful but most ot is garbage and skewed and their test methods are garbage, I used to work in R&d for lighting products and you use IES standards and test procedures, CR's procedures were a joke.

lastly CR's data is more along first 90 days satisfaction, not much more.


X a zillion.

CR doesn't even verify ownership! Garbage IMO, but perhaps a bit better than throwing a dart at the wall...
 
How does one verify ownership on the forums?
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CR is part of the picture, but not the end-all.

The biggest crack against CR is whether or not their readers are representative of the general population... likely they are probably skewed towards less diverse, higher income, more educated and older populations (most consumer-oriented publications are skewed in that manner). Since they are after newer cars, this might be even more pronounced.

Consider CR as asking a LOT of owners (lying is not as common in surveys as some might thing... people tend to be fairly honest or they don't take it). Still, not the end all, be all. You can't generalized from a sample or population to a specific individual piece of metal.
 
The biggest problem with the CR survey are the readers that complete the survey. Have you ever spoken to a family member or someone at work that wasn't car savvy about their vehicle that is in the shop? They have no idea what is being replaced, or what the problem is. I don't ask questions, because all they do is look at you like you have two heads, so I just listen to them vent about how much it is going to cost.

CR asks these same people what system in their vehicle had a problem, and if it was a major or minor repair. One persons major might be another persons minor, and most people who have no clue what part goes to what system on the car.
 
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