best transfer case fluid for 2002 nissan frontier?

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i have a 2002 nissan frontier v6 4wd, and need to replace the transfer case fluid, the manual says use D matic, fluid.
page 9-3
http://www.vadennissanservicecontracts.com/owners-manual/nissan/2002-Nissan-Frontier.pdf

... any recommendations? it has 110,000 miles, and i use the truck for pulling towing, and offloading, best ATF for long lasting transfer case? royal purple? amsoil?

also any input for differentials? for the diffs, i was definitely leaning to using amsoil sever gear oil for my diffs

thanks!
 
Originally Posted By: RED_V6
i have a 2002 nissan frontier v6 4wd, and need to replace the transfer case fluid, the manual says use D matic, fluid.
page 9-3
http://www.vadennissanservicecontracts.com/owners-manual/nissan/2002-Nissan-Frontier.pdf

... any recommendations? it has 110,000 miles, and i use the truck for pulling towing, and offloading, best ATF for long lasting transfer case? royal purple? amsoil?

also any input for differentials? for the diffs, i was definitely leaning to using amsoil sever gear oil for my diffs

thanks!


I doubt you would find any ATF better than Amsoil. The Amsoil website says their normal ATF for the transfer case and it takes 3-4 QTs depending upon model. Were it me, I would order enough Amsoil ATF for transmission and transfer case and some SVG for the diff. and it will be at your door in 2 days. Then you should be close to not needing to do it again until the 200K mark.

Amsoil ATF and SVG is in my Jeep and Dodge Ram in the respective places.
 
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I always use Mobil 1 ATF in my 2007 Nissan Frontier as it specs to Dex III like Nissan Matic D. Good performance and available at most Pep B oys, etc.
 
I had a 2001 supercharged Frontier and used Amsoil severe gear 75w-110 in the differentials and Amsoil ATF in the transfer case. Never had a problem with either, the entire time I owned the truck.

On one of the fluid changes, I used Castrol "import" ATF, which specifies Matic D / Matic J on the back label, although the Nissan spec is anything but required for a transfer case. Any fresh Dex-III type fluid would suffice. I felt a synthetic ATF would be worth the cost, as it would become a lifetime fluid for the transfer case, and the potential for a bit of extra gas mileage (which the truck desperately needed).
 
Originally Posted By: Boomer
I always use Mobil 1 ATF in my 2007 Nissan Frontier as it specs to Dex III like Nissan Matic D. Good performance and available at most Pep B oys, etc.


+1 Mobil 1 ATF is good juice. I have used it in many different trans applications. Castrol "import multi vehicle" ATF will do well too.
 
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I recommend either Amsoil Torque-Drive or Redline D4.

D-matic is a DexronIII knockoff.
 
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I recommend either Amsoil Torque-Drive or Redline D4.

D-matic is a DexronIII knockoff.


And remember, often overlooked transfer case service can lead to major issues. The transfer case should be changed at least every 50K....even with one of the above mentioned fluids.

Amsoil in the gear-sets is an excellent choice....the 110 grade is a nice middle choice!
 
As mentioned, the D-Matic is a DEX III type fluid, therefore there are a host of fluids that would work well. In fact, in your manual, it clearly states in noteation *4 that D Matic can be substituted with "DexronIII/Mercon or equivilant may also be used". Obviously the D Matic spec just isn't that strict and a whole host of fluids will suffice as long as they are targeted for that application, (which is a LONG list of products .....)

Synthetics are going to be your best option for long OCIs.

I would suggest any of these, or such like these:
Mobil 1 ATF
Amsoil ATF, ATD
Schaeffer 204S-AT
Valvoline MaxLife
Red Line D4
DA Lube AutoTrans Super Plus
Any TES-295 licensed product, or clone of such
etc

You'll have to weigh your threshold of price/availability/etc. Any of them will last a LONG time inservice.

NOTE: I see that on page 9-3 in that owner's manual link you provided, it states to use D Matic in the transfer case, but on 9-8 is states to use "75w-90" gear oil. If you look closely at page 9-3, it states the word "or" referring to GL-4. Also, they call out GL-4 for the xfer case, but GL-5 for the diffs.

I would think it would be just as easy to use a syn ATF for both the transmission and transfer case. Use any of the ones above; they will all work fine.



As for the diffs, the same companies offer great products; any GL-5 syn will work just fine for longer OCIs. Again:
Mobil 1
Synpower
Severe Gear
SynSure
etc ...


The normal fluids got you this far. Put in some syns, and don't give it another thought for 100k more miles. Choose from the brands that you find makes your wallet happy, because the equipment really isn't going to know the difference between any of those excellent products. Many people have preferences, but they are brand loyal only due to emotion and not really based upon any direct evidence. There are a large host of brands that will suffice just fine. Show me a guy that has had great success with Amsoil, and I'll show you one who swears by Mobil 1. Exhibit a person that had has excellent service from Ashland products, and I'll show you one that excels with Castrol. Etc etc ... The simple fact that you are servicing the equipment means far more than the tiny nuiances between premium syns brands.
 
another vote for M1 or amsoil.

I run amsoil in everything but engine sump since I can get it locally.

I used Mobil 1 ATF in the T.Case of my 97 PFinder. It was a nice combo, never had any problems with it.

Also used Mobil 1 ATF in the T.Case of a 93 Jeep JZ with both full time and part time 4WD, and H/L. I did beat on that 4wd some. worked fine.
 
NOTE: I see that on page 9-3 in that owner's manual link you provided, it states to use D Matic in the transfer case, but on 9-8 is states to use "75w-90" gear oil. If you look closely at page 9-3, it states the word "or" referring to GL-4. Also, they call out GL-4 for the xfer case, but GL-5 for the diffs.

the gear oil is for manual transmissions.... out of all these for the T-case what would prolly give me the best constancy out of all products, or best MPG? amsoil is so freakin expensive, i know alot about performance and gear ratio etc, but not alot about what each company does for their products...
 
Originally Posted By: RED_V6
the gear oil is for manual transmissions.... out of all these for the T-case what would prolly give me the best constancy out of all products, or best MPG? amsoil is so freakin expensive, i know alot about performance and gear ratio etc, but not alot about what each company does for their products...


I wouldn't hesitate to use any affordable, off-the-shelf product in lieu of a synthetic. The transfer case isn't really a high stress environment for the fluid (not the mechanical locking type transfer case, as found in this truck). This is a modern, chain drive transfer case that's not introducing a lot of friction into the drivetrain, so the benefits of a synthetic fluid are not fully realized, as they would in an automatic transmission, or something where fluid life, friction reduction, etc. would be important attributes.

I did not see one iota of difference when I used synthetic ATF in the txfer case on my '01 Frontier, and later when I changed it again, I used Castrol "import" ATF, which specifically mentions Matic D compatibility (not that it matters, any cheap Dex III-type ATF would work fine), and the truck loved it every bit as well as it did the expensive Synthetic.
 
Originally Posted By: RED_V6
the gear oil is for manual transmissions....


That's not what it reads; it cleary is referring to the transfer case, on both page 9-3 and 9-8, in reference to ATF and gear oil. Now - it does also state to use gear oil in the manual transmission, but that is not the topic we are discussing. You started this thread about the t-case. And that's what I looked up in that owner's manual link you provided. Those two pages clearly state the use of GL-4 75w-90 is acceptable in the xfer case. But the D-Matic (or DEX/Merc alternative) fluid is also clearly spec'd.

Regardless ...

If it's a chain driven transfer case, they typically don't really care which fluid it used.

There's a little-known debate in the GMT-800 world where some folks prefer 5w30 motor oil over ATF, only because one guy suggested it in a trade magazine. After personally interviewing him, I wrote up a short article about his suggestion, and how the rest of the market did not see it his way. My point? There are folks that use motor oil in lieu of ATF as well, and typically nothing bad happens.

Ironically, in the Harley Davidson world, where the primary case houses a chain-driven system, they spec what is essentially a motor oil, and yet some of the people to believe that ATF is "better", so they eschew the recommended fluid in favor of an unapproved alternative.

My point? The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence ...

Generally, chain driven xfer cases just are not that sensitive to fluids. As long as they are reasonably close to the spec'd vis, an ATF, GL-4,5 or engine oil will work. There are hundreds of thousands of examples out there running around right now with some variation of these options, and the t-cases are not dropping out of the frames because someone used brand "X" of product "Y" instead of option "Z".

One of the benefits to using a syn is that they may resist evaporation a bit "better" than a conventional lube, and therefore if you're inclined to ignore the fluid (as some folks are) then they longevity of syns may pay off. The 261/263 t-cases in the GMT-800 trucks tends to run hot at times, and so the syn can be an advantage. I use syn ATF in this application for this reason. However, if you're diligent about doing proper PM and checkinf fluid levels, this is a moot point as you'll (hopefully) never let the fluid get low enough to warrant concern anyway.

Do as you see fit. You have all the info you need (starting with your owner's manual; the most important source) to make a decision that "best" fits your situation.
 
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Originally Posted By: RED_V6
the gear oil is for manual transmissions....


That's not what it reads; it cleary is referring to the transfer case, on both page 9-3 and 9-8, in reference to ATF and gear oil. Now - it does also state to use gear oil in the manual transmission, but that is not the topic we are discussing. You started this thread about the t-case. And that's what I looked up in that owner's manual link you provided. Those two pages clearly state the use of GL-4 75w-90 is acceptable in the xfer case. But the D-Matic (or DEX/Merc alternative) fluid is also clearly spec'd.

Regardless ...

If it's a chain driven transfer case, they typically don't really care which fluid it used.

manual transmission use gear oil in the T case, i have a automatic transmision, thus i know im supposed to put ATF fluid in the T case, that is what my club frontier web site told me and the dealership
 
You own the vehicle and I don't, so I cannot crawl under it. However, I did briefly own (many years ago) a 2000 Frontier similar to yours.


Generally, the t-case will not be "different" for an auto or manual trans vehicle. There may be, at times, a different adapter between the output of the transmission and the input of the t-case, if there is an adaptor at all; sometimes they bolt directly up. But the t-case itself is typically common between the two choices.

My point is that the owner's manual does not call out a unique fluid for a manually shifted vehicle t-case and an automatically shifted vehicle t-case. The manual states both are acceptable.

This is getting overblown; you're making it too hard. Open the inspection hole, dip in your finger, and when you pull it out, see what type fluid there is. Reddish will be ATF; anything dark and smelling of the hint of sulphur will be gear oil. Replace accordingly with either a Dex/Merc or GL rated product. If you want longer OCIs, then select your type fluid in a syn base.

If that's not simple enough, then I don't know how else we could help you ...
 
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i was merely seeing a recommendation on the brands of fluids, not so much type. thanks for the help , everyone!
 
Originally Posted By: dnewton3

This is getting overblown; you're making it too hard.


You're the one beating the dead horse. Give it up already; fluid type was briefly discussed, not intended to be the [censored] contest you're turning it into.

The factory fluid in this transfer case is ATF. Replace with ATF, easy enough.

I would not be surprised at all to find gear oil in manual equipped trucks, for nothing more than fluid commonality on the assembly line & for service. As a consumer, I would rather buy one type of fluid and have half a quart left over, than to buy two types, and have two half-quarts left over.
 
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The factory fluid in this transfer case is ATF. Replace with ATF, easy enough.

I would not be surprised at all to find gear oil in manual equipped trucks, for nothing more than fluid commonality on the assembly line & for service.


I had an '01 Nissan Frontier 4X4. The manual transmission fluid was a 10 cSt or 30 weight MTF, and the transfer case used DexronIII.

I have yet to see a Nissan Transfer Case from the facory that did NOT contain an ATF.
 
I used to run in Nissan circles(generally) and Xterra circles (specifically) and had heard before that some manuals say to use ATF in the transfer case while others recommend a 90 weight gear oil.

If that is the case (pun intended) then you could use just about anything (as was already said).

However, wouldn't the BEST fluid be a GL-4 oil that was ATF thin (cSt of about 6.0 - 7.5)?? You would get enhanced wear protection from the additive package while maintaining low parasitic loss levels from the drag of the fluid.

I'm thinking Royal Burple Syncromax or Honda MTF II.

Am I overthinking this a bit? Of course. I'm at BITOG, after all.
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The factory service manual for my Pathfinder specifies either GL-4 or ATF, and states that ATF is used at the factory. It also states to not mix the two (duh). I would imagine the same verbiage is used for the similar years of Frontier, Xterra, etc.
 
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