Best New Mix - Size SUV ?
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$50 site donor 2025
gotta give you credit … Toyota as an “appliance” lives in me to eternity
Hey, if you want to hate me because I don't buy the least dependable products like you do, that's fine with me. My loyalties are to the best products at the time I purchase. My next vehicle could be a Honda, or Mazda...or another Toyota. Go for quality!
Toyota makes the best cars for the middle and lower classes, as well as for adults managing their lives and protecting their retirement funds. Family cars need to offer utility, reliability, and economy...that's how the most responsible live. My cars don't need to pretend to perform like those cars that most of us cannot afford, and whose missions are far beyond normal family life. You see boring...I see financial independence.
Honda, Mazda, Subaru, GM, Ford, Stellantis, and all other makes that sell less, have less value, and are less dependable in most cases.
I get it, which is why I also value reliability. However, that does not always equal Toyota. I currently have an Acura and a VW (gasp!) that have been rock solid and are actually fun to drive for what they are. You can have both. Some don't care and just want A to B, which is fine, but realize it's not always a trade-off.
Sure, you can have both: Lexus, and of course, Acura. But they come a bit higher priced. No need to gamble with German kit...glad yours was ok...many are not.
Yeah, everything from JD is a complete joke. Dependability on one year old vehicles...sure...sounds very scientific. To clarify, I would say the same thing even if they had VW in Lexus' position. Their rankings are useless.*Gasp!* is a good way to put it. (you'll find VW at the bottom)
Nah. That's not how the study works.
"The J.D. Power U.S. Vehicle Dependability StudySM (VDS) identifies problems experienced by original owners of 3-year-old vehicles in order to give automakers and suppliers an understanding of the specific factors impacting owner satisfaction with long-term vehicle quality."
"Study findings are used extensively by manufacturers worldwide to help them design and build better vehicles—which typically retain higher resale value—and by consumers to help them make more informed choices for both new and used vehicles."
You're right though! Fake news!
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Firstly, I don't purchase the least dependable products, which is a mouth-breather-level strawman that you've plucked from your posterior. Secondly, I don't "hate you", I've simply pointed out that the vast majority of your "contributions" to this forum consist of unsolicited promotion of Toyota products, often in threads where it is totally irrelevant, and that the board is better off without this sort of brain-dead content.
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
The problem is that the brands in the middle move around a LOT, here's 2024 for comparison:*Gasp!* is a good way to put it. (you'll find VW at the bottom)
Also, look where Acura ranks compared to Honda.
Not that much, but of course it's going to shift a bit year to year as each study brings new data for the new model year.
What's important is that who ranks toward the top and who ranks toward the bottom remains pretty much the same.
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Jeep, for example, moved down considerably from 2024 -> 2025. Ford moved up, a huge amount, and GMC also moved up, along with Cadillac. Honda also moved up, swapping spots with Jeep.
Chrysler, which has a single vehicle (Pacifica) doesn't surprise me, and VW/Audi/Land Rover tend to always be near the bottom, but, as noted, many of the brands in the middle move all over the place, from above average to way below average, from way below average to above average...etc.
While the Germans tend to get ripped on (including in this thread), both BMW and Porsche tend to do well on these studies and are typically above average.
Here's 2023, where Genesis, and Kia, rank above Toyota
Porsche is way down from 2024/2025Changing considerably again from where it was the previous year:
As I said, there's a LOT of variability in these studies.
edyvw
$50 site donor 2025
That is why I ditched Sienna and kept BMW and VW.
edyvw
$50 site donor 2025
How many German vehicles you had?
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Amusingly, Acura regularly ranks below several German marques on the JD Power Dependability study, lol.
latest Toyotas are uninspiring both mechanically and on reliability. seriously. who thought it was a genius idea to put an 1.6 liter 3 cylinder aluminum block engine in a 300hp turbo car? like seriously. if you want to see how it is done, check the latest Volkswagen Golf R with cast iron engine block.
