Batteries: Motorcraft vs Mopar

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Interesting, the Mopar battery that came out was white, and heavier, than the Mopar battery that went in, which was black, and had the side vent tube attachments like my M5
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Spins her over like a champ now.
 
Originally Posted By: yeti
overkill -- did your service manager pal tell you who makes the mopar battery ? tia.


I didn't ask, but it is definitely a different supplier than the one that came out. That one had two handles from the centre, like the OEM battery from my M5, whilst the new one has one big black handle that runs the length of the battery.
 
Here is a hard to deceifer list of what manufacturer makes what brand battery

http://jgdarden.com/batteryfaq/batbrand.htm

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Motorcraft, please see Johnson Controls


I scrolled the whole list, and never noticed Mopar.

perhaps they stock up on Mopar stickers and run down to the local Autoparts stores, slap a sticker over some other label, and ad 15$ to the price.

Battery life is determined by how much of its life it gets to spend as near as fully charged as possible.

The bestmade battery that lives at 80% charged will not last as long as the worst made battery that gets to live at 99%+ charged.

How well the vehicle charging system mates with the needs of the particular battery to reach absorption voltage for the time required to maximize specific gravity is a huge factor.

How the car is driven, how often and for how long, and if any significant battery depletions occur, determine lead acid battery life.

Now, this wont change any minds, as most minds act like alternators are instant perfect battery rechargers which is far from true.

Vehicular parasitic draw is another huge factor in battery lifespan.

Another factor is we do not know if the battery JC makes for interstate is the same quality as the one they make for motorcraft or the one they make for wally world, or the Autocraft batteries they make for Advanced or whomever sells this label, currently.
Do they have different plates thickness and densities and numbers they throw into each cell of the battery, or are they all the same internals stuffed in a slightly different colored case with a different sticker?

Only somebody at JC could say. Don't hold your breathe waiting for an answer.

And Exide is making at least some of the batteries wally world sells, in some locations of North America.

These 'who make the best battery' threads crack me up. We'll get another in another month, and few of the replies will be based on any fact.

Batteries are rented people. The length of that contract is up to the owner, and their vehicles ability to recharge it fully as often as possible.

Praise the battery brand if you need to, but those with outstanding lifespans from batteries should be more proud of their vehicle. OEM batteries could certainly be made to a higher standard, perhaps not. The new vehicle's alternator charge circuit could be creating a more favorable charging pattern too. Add in some age and oxidation to the connections and wiring between alternator and battery causes more voltage drop, and recharge performance dwindles.
 
Regardless of whose name is on the case or where you buy it, there are ONLY THREE companies that manufacture/sell conventional lead/acid batteries in North America... Johnson Controls (the largest), Exide, and East Penn. I have to laugh when I hear someone say that a Sears DieHard is a much better battery than a Walmart Everstart and that they are worth the higher price, they are both manufactured by Johnson Controls in the same plant using the same raw materials and manufacturing techniques.
 
Trojan, Crown, USbattery and Northstar are 4 more battery manufacturing companies making batteries stateside, it is just the Big 3 you list represent the majority of flooded lead acid batteries sold.

And there is no proof that the battery JC makes for wally world uses the same plate paste, composition or number of plates per cell, as the one they make for interstate.

But those who insist on the cheapest Wally world being just as good as an an Interstate, will never believe otherwise.

I'd need proof, not faith.
 
Originally Posted By: wrcsixeight
Trojan, Crown, USbattery and Northstar are 4 more battery manufacturing companies making batteries stateside, it is just the Big 3 you list represent the majority of flooded lead acid batteries sold.

I should have said "readily available" conventional flooded cell lead/acid batteries for automotive use. Of the 4 manufacturers you mentioned, only Crown manufactures conventional flooded cell lead/acid batteries for automotive use, but they are hardly "readily available", at least not where I live. Do you have an auto parts store near you where you can buy them? What chain is selling them?

Originally Posted By: wrcsixeight
And there is no proof that the battery JC makes for wally world uses the same plate paste, composition or number of plates per cell, as the one they make for interstate.

Car batteries are a commodity product built to a price. If two batteries with different names on them are manufactured in the same plant by the same manufacturer and have the SAME SPECIFICATIONS, my guess is that they are the SAME inside. But, I could be wrong.

Originally Posted By: wrcsixeight
But those who insist on the cheapest Wally world being just as good as an an Interstate, will never believe otherwise.
I'd need proof, not faith.

I reiterate what I said above.
 
If you're getting a Motorcraft battery, make sure to get the Tested Tough MAX and not the Tested Tough PLUS.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: yeti
overkill -- did your service manager pal tell you who makes the mopar battery ? tia.


I didn't ask, but it is definitely a different supplier than the one that came out. That one had two handles from the centre, like the OEM battery from my M5, whilst the new one has one big black handle that runs the length of the battery.



Sounds like the original was from a Daimler supplier.
 
Originally Posted By: wag123
wrcsixeight said:
Car batteries are a commodity product built to a price. If two batteries with different names on them are manufactured in the same plant by the same manufacturer and have the SAME SPECIFICATIONS, my guess is that they are the SAME inside. But, I could be wrong.



Absolutely true here as well. We now buy batteries strictly based on who has the longest non pro rata warranty.

Others can agonize over their choices, it's just a Battery...
 
I know I replaced the factory motorcraft in my old Ranger and replaced it with a Duralast gold....the motorcraft was significantly heavier.
 
Replaced the Panasonic in the Forester even though it was fine really.

Just a little slow spinning on cold mornings.

Built '09 replaced '14 so 5 years, can't complain really. Got a Duracell at Sam's club, should have paid the extra cash for the AGM but figured ehhh the best flooded is good enough.

I come to find out they are made about 30 miles away at East Penn so that makes me feel a little better. That was last Jan. , working like a champ in this cold weather.

Even the OEM Panasonic in the 2005 Forester I had was still fine really, just lost a lot of capacity due to age. It would start every cold morning just a lot slower than I was comfortable with. I think I replaced it during the summer and based on it's date code almost 6 1/2 years old.

Now the TDI I did right away after seeing what the PO did. Replace a 94R with a small group 20 something...oy vey
 
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: wag123
wrcsixeight said:
Car batteries are a commodity product built to a price. If two batteries with different names on them are manufactured in the same plant by the same manufacturer and have the SAME SPECIFICATIONS, my guess is that they are the SAME inside. But, I could be wrong.



Absolutely true here as well. We now buy batteries strictly based on who has the longest non pro rata warranty.

Others can agonize over their choices, it's just a Battery...


Yes, but when it is -30C and you are 600Km from home at a Hotel in Quebec, you want that battery to start the vehicle. The Exide (that was only 4 years old) almost didn't. That's why we got another Motorcraft for the Expedition, the original lasted 8 years and then gave us ample warning that it was getting weak.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: wag123
wrcsixeight said:
Car batteries are a commodity product built to a price. If two batteries with different names on them are manufactured in the same plant by the same manufacturer and have the SAME SPECIFICATIONS, my guess is that they are the SAME inside. But, I could be wrong.



Absolutely true here as well. We now buy batteries strictly based on who has the longest non pro rata warranty.

Others can agonize over their choices, it's just a Battery...


Yes, but when it is -30C and you are 600Km from home at a Hotel in Quebec, you want that battery to start the vehicle. The Exide (that was only 4 years old) almost didn't. That's why we got another Motorcraft for the Expedition, the original lasted 8 years and then gave us ample warning that it was getting weak.


Completely agreed my man! I don't risk my life by going for a drive like you poor guys up in the frozen Tundra...
 
I just restored my dead AC Delco battery using battery chem. I'm working on a set of East Penn manufactured Dela marine batteries right now.

Now I see why everybody wants to sell me a battery and take my core. Forget that.
 
Originally Posted By: michaelluscher
Motorcraft Tested Tough MAX's have a coupon on Ford's website for IIRC $124.99 that's a 3 or 4 year free replacement then a 105 month prorate.


I got the MOPAR for $140, which was the best price for a brand name battery.
 
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