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[Sandstorm]

EC is not the end all be all, Rislone is just as good at cleaning what EC was made for. Never used AutoRX but was here when it was the rage, it worked as well as EC has per stories of success. Just bc it is new doesn't mean it is better.

Rislone is decent stuff, It contains ~11% TMP Ester; however, it's an inferior product compared to HPL EC.

 

[MolaKule]

EC is not the end all be all, Rislone is just as good at cleaning what EC was made for. Never used AutoRX but was here when it was the rage, it worked as well as EC has per stories of success. Just bc it is new doesn't mean it is better.

The Rislone product is a good cleaner but it's formula has not changed in years.

I believe HPL's EC is better because of the latest application of technology as it contains not only a specific ester mix, but an HD DI additive package.

 

[wlk]

The Rislone product is a good cleaner but it's formula has not changed in years.

I believe HPL's EC is better because of the latest application of technology as it contains not only a specific ester mix, but an HD DI additive package.

As fully formulated with more additives, sure, HPL EC may be better. Although in terms of cleaning, I don't believe so. In my experiences with Rislone, it cleaned the sludge out of my motors. It also helped clean and unstick the rings in my Honda. I used EC to do the same thing and got the same results. Rislone provided the same results as EC did in my applications which is my point. Just bc it and AutoRx haven't changed much doesn't mean it is vastly inferior, as the person implied. Heck, I wouldn't want them to, for value's sake. Honestly, Rislone is superior in a way EC isn't, availability. HPL is a small co; the availability is not the same, and shipping costs money. I am not saying shipping should be free but if I need it today, I can get a bottle of Rislone at a multitude of stores the same day w/o shipping delays or costs.

 

[Plawan]

Rislone is decent stuff, It contains ~11% TMP Ester; however, it's an inferior product compared to HPL EC.

Prove it.

 

[Sandstorm]

Prove it.

If you believe in evolution, no proof is necessary; and if you don't believe in it no proof is possible.

 

[Plawan]

If you believe in evolution, no proof is necessary; and if you don't believe in it no proof is possible.

Especially when someone provides no proof to support their claim lol.

 

[Retirednow]

Worked very well, but instructions were poor. I always doubled dose and extended oci to get the result I required.

 

[JTK]

It was all the rage back in the early 2000's here. Remember Fuel Power and Lube Control too?

 

[MolaKule]

Prove it.

Here is proof:

Post in thread 'Rislone High Mileage Oil Treatment - Contents ?'

Jan 31, 2023

I have no analysis for the High Mileage Version, but here is an earlier analysis for the regular engine treatment:

Here is the latest summary Analysis I have from June 2018: Rislone Engine Treatment from quart bottle (32 oz.) version.
Physical Tests: Viscosity (cSt 100C) 8.0
Additives (ppm):
Magnesium (Mg) 3
Calcium (Ca) 1935
Phosphorus (P) 422
Zinc (Zn) 503
Boron (B) 8
TMP Ester 11% by weight.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...reatment-solvent-naphtha.291942/#post-4800231 Post #16.

• MolaKule

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[Plawan]

Here is proof:

Post in thread 'Rislone High Mileage Oil Treatment - Contents ?'

Jan 31, 2023

I have no analysis for the High Mileage Version, but here is an earlier analysis for the regular engine treatment:

Here is the latest summary Analysis I have from June 2018: Rislone Engine Treatment from quart bottle (32 oz.) version.
Physical Tests: Viscosity (cSt 100C) 8.0
Additives (ppm):
Magnesium (Mg) 3
Calcium (Ca) 1935
Phosphorus (P) 422
Zinc (Zn) 503
Boron (B) 8
TMP Ester 11% by weight.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...reatment-solvent-naphtha.291942/#post-4800231 Post #16.

• MolaKule

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This VOA that you ran proves that Rislone is an inferior product to the other???That’s the proof I was asking him to provide, not the ester content in Rislone.

 

[Plawan]

You got to evolve with the times. Evolution has brought us to HPL EC

I wish someone would tell all the concrete experts for the last 1500 years. Because time and “evolution” hasn’t helped our modern concrete compare to Roman concrete.
Tired of looking at this crack in my brand new drive way. But hey it’s newer science so it must somehow be better!

 

[Sandstorm]

Concrete work is Masonry, which also has evolved significantly with times. The ancient tools utilized in Stone masonry have become obsolete and replaced by modern machinery.

 

[Plawan]

Concrete work is Masonry, which also has evolved significantly with times. The ancient tools utilized in Stone masonry have become obsolete and replaced by modern machinery.

Yet modern concrete is far far inferior to Roman concrete.
Point is, don’t think everything more modern is better.

 

[martinq]

Yet modern concrete is far far inferior to Roman concrete.
Point is, don’t think everything more modern is better.

It's not uncommon to get what you pay for (or to get ripped off). If you want "better" concrete you can certainly have it but not everyone wants to pay for it or knows how to do it right.

 

[Sandstorm]

It's not uncommon to get what you pay for (or to get ripped off). If you want "better" concrete you can certainly have it but not everyone wants to pay for it or knows how to do it right.

And certainly, those edifices erected utilizing the Roman and Greek orders of architecture, utilized the highest quality of raw material around; hence, they have survived the passage of time.

 

[MolaKule]

This VOA that you ran proves that Rislone is an inferior product to the other???That’s the proof I was asking him to provide, not the ester content in Rislone.

This was not a $30 new oil analysis, it was a forensic analysis done at a university lab.

You are free to choose whatever engine cleaner you like. I have used Rislone Engine Treatment in the past to clean up a carboned Nissan VVT valve in a 2003 PathFinder. I have recently used the HPL EC to clean sludged engines and to keep current engines clean. When new technologies appear, I use them, test them, and form my opinions.

If you are under a tight budget, then Rislone Engine Treatment may help with carbon deposits.

But in terms of improved chemistry using modern components, HPL's EC is the better formula.

Concrete and lubrication formulas are so different I don't see the analogy as being relevant or meaningful.

 

[Plawan]

Concrete and lubrication formulas are so different I don't see the analogy as being relevant or meaningful.

It’s really not a hard correlation to understand if you really followed the conversation. Nobody was comparing formulas of concrete to lubrication. The

I completely disagree that your VOA proves that one is better than the other. It’s partly an assumption at best.

 

[MolaKule]

It’s really not a hard correlation to understand if you really followed the conversation.

I have read every post. In terms of Roman construction of roads, the fact their roads have withstood time is because they developed a stable multilayer foundational system to support the top layer. It had nothing to do with the concrete mix.

I completely disagree that your VOA proves that one is better than the other. It’s partly an assumption at best.

I never stated that the Rislone VOA proves anything. In fact, a VOA proves nothing with respect to performance.

I have used both and found HPL EC does a better job at softening and "solving" carbon.

Whatever product you decide to use, it is a good idea to change filters at half your nominal OCI.

 

[Retirednow]

I

I have read every post. In terms of Roman construction of roads, the fact their roads have withstood time is because they developed a stable multilayer foundational system to support the top layer. It had nothing to do with the concrete mix.

I never stated that the Rislone VOA proves anything. In fact, a VOA proves nothing with respect to performance.

I have used both and found HPL EC does a better job at softening and "solving" carbon.

Whatever product you decide to use, it is a good idea to change filters at half your nominal OCI.

Can’t get EC. I use double dose Rislone and have achieved remarkable results.

 

[MolaKule]

Can’t get EC. I use double dose Rislone and have achieved remarkable results.

Have you tried ordering HPL products via their distributor?

https://www.advlubrication.com/collections/automotive-lubricants