I was wondering if it would be of any benefit to run the cleaning batch any longer than 1500mi. Will this allow more cleaning to take place before going into the rinse phase? What would be any drawbacks to extending it a little longer?
Auto RX, extending the cleaning phase????
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I believe Frank said it would not hurt anything to leav it in over 1500mi, but whether it would clean more, I dont know. It probably depends on how dirty the engine was to begin with.
I am running Auto-rx in a Ford F350 PS Diesel. I plan to run 2,000 to 2,500 miles for the clean phase and 2,000 miles for the rinse. The beast has 15 quarts in the sump and does not run very hot at normal operating temps. Will be finishing up the clean phase later this month with a 1,200 mile road trip.
I also wonder how was 1.5K is recommendate for cleaning phase for the 1st application cycle. It is shortened to 1K for the 2nd cycle.
If oil filters have enough capacity, isn't it a waste of $ and natural resource to change out oil + ARX much ealier than a typical dino oil change interval?
If oil filters have enough capacity, isn't it a waste of $ and natural resource to change out oil + ARX much ealier than a typical dino oil change interval?
Because generally if you have an engine that need's Auto-Rx it is sledged. The first application "clean" just loosens the sludge. With some cleaning. The second "rinse" is where most of the sludge is knocked loose from the engine. There is a good degree of possibility this will cause your oil filter to fill up with debris. Do you want the liability from having a clogged oil filter from ruining someone's engine because it is full of #@$%! because someone felt the need to extend a couple of OCI's?
Understand the margin of error, when I cut open oil filters for both cleaning and rinsing phase, there are plenty of capacity. I am 700 miles into 2nd cleaning phase and oil is still yellow, not as dark as the 1st application.
I will let my 2nd cycle to go past 1000 miles,allowing ARX longer will allow it to work its cleaning magic longer.
I will let my 2nd cycle to go past 1000 miles,allowing ARX longer will allow it to work its cleaning magic longer.
Why not run 1,500 miles as per Auto-Rx instructions?
Right off the ARX Website. Notice the 2nd Cleaning Phase is 1500 miles.
FIRST APPLICATION
(application reformat: 2-13-2006)
STEP 1
Change the oil filter*
Install a new oil filter to give Auto-Rx® a place to deposit sludge, dirt, contaminants, and third-party abrasives
cleaned from the engine.
STEP 2
Add Auto-Rx® to the oil
Pour 12 full ounces of Auto-Rx® into your existing oil.
If your engine oil capacity is not 6 quarts then click here for correct amount to add.
Warm Auto-Rx® to room temperature before adding
STEP 3
Cleaning Phase
Drive 1,500 miles
STEP 4
Rinsing Phase
Change the oil and oil filter
Drive 2,000 miles.
(use non-synthetic oil for this step)
STEP 5
Completion
Change your oil and filter. Application is complete.
Engines under 100,000 miles: Application is completed.
You may change to any oil type.Engines over 100,000 miles:
Continue using non-synthetic oil and complete Second Application.
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Second Application
For Engines over 100,000 miles
(application reformat: 2-13-2006)
STEP 1
Add Auto-Rx® to the oil
Add the second bottle of Auto-Rx®.
If your engine oil capacity is not 6 quarts click here for correct amount to add.
Warm Auto-Rx® to room temperature before adding
STEP 2
Cleaning Phase
Drive 1,500 miles
STEP 3
Rinsing Phase
Change the oil and oil filter
Drive 2,000 miles.
(use non-synthetic oil for this step)
STEP 4
Completion
Change your oil and filter.
You may change to any oil type
The application is complete.
FIRST APPLICATION
(application reformat: 2-13-2006)
STEP 1
Change the oil filter*
Install a new oil filter to give Auto-Rx® a place to deposit sludge, dirt, contaminants, and third-party abrasives
cleaned from the engine.
STEP 2
Add Auto-Rx® to the oil
Pour 12 full ounces of Auto-Rx® into your existing oil.
If your engine oil capacity is not 6 quarts then click here for correct amount to add.
Warm Auto-Rx® to room temperature before adding
STEP 3
Cleaning Phase
Drive 1,500 miles
STEP 4
Rinsing Phase
Change the oil and oil filter
Drive 2,000 miles.
(use non-synthetic oil for this step)
STEP 5
Completion
Change your oil and filter. Application is complete.
Engines under 100,000 miles: Application is completed.
You may change to any oil type.Engines over 100,000 miles:
Continue using non-synthetic oil and complete Second Application.
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Second Application
For Engines over 100,000 miles
(application reformat: 2-13-2006)
STEP 1
Add Auto-Rx® to the oil
Add the second bottle of Auto-Rx®.
If your engine oil capacity is not 6 quarts click here for correct amount to add.
Warm Auto-Rx® to room temperature before adding
STEP 2
Cleaning Phase
Drive 1,500 miles
STEP 3
Rinsing Phase
Change the oil and oil filter
Drive 2,000 miles.
(use non-synthetic oil for this step)
STEP 4
Completion
Change your oil and filter.
You may change to any oil type
The application is complete.
+1 on giving frank a ring.
I do 2,000 mile cleans, and 2,000 mile rinses with Pennzoil Platinum. I like to run the clean phase a little longer, it just makes ME feel better. Plus, it keeps the number on the odometer easy to track.
I am on my second rinse phase right now, and I plan on doing a third application. **No one told me to do a third application** My car has 150,000 miles on it, and it just makes me feel better to do a third application.
I do 2,000 mile cleans, and 2,000 mile rinses with Pennzoil Platinum. I like to run the clean phase a little longer, it just makes ME feel better. Plus, it keeps the number on the odometer easy to track.
I am on my second rinse phase right now, and I plan on doing a third application. **No one told me to do a third application** My car has 150,000 miles on it, and it just makes me feel better to do a third application.
I think that the ARX application instructions are intended with the greatest engine safety in mind. The folks at ARX have no idea what shape the oiling system in your motor or trans is when you purchase the product. In a neglected sled 1500 miles will dissolve plenty of contaminants, to the extent that the oil/arx combo will exhaust its ability to disperse any more. Therefor the rinse phase before going into a second application. By the same token a well maintained machine can likely run a longer cleaning cycle. So why mess with the instructions. Human nature suggests that if a little is good, then more must be better. Thats why we are refered to as humans.
All Group 111 Oils are fine for both clean & rinse cycles. True synthetics have "synthetic esters" there job is to hold oil to metal.(we don't want this when we are trying to clean "contaminants off the metal) so use non synthetic oil. Go back to synthetic when your done Auto-Rx Application. Exception is "Seal Leak" read below.
Seal Leaks always use non synthetic oil's as "simple additive package works well with seal material
in restoring pliability. After leak has stopped and you have 3000 miles on just plain non synthetic oil next oil change go to Auto-Rx Maintenace Plan with prior seal leaks use 2 ounces of Auto-Rx for
best results.
ps. Group 111 Oil's are highly refined non synthetic oil's.
It is okay if you want to clean your engine a third or fourth time although the Auto-Rx Maintenace Plan really does the same thing (at a lot less cost)
Seal Leaks always use non synthetic oil's as "simple additive package works well with seal material
in restoring pliability. After leak has stopped and you have 3000 miles on just plain non synthetic oil next oil change go to Auto-Rx Maintenace Plan with prior seal leaks use 2 ounces of Auto-Rx for
best results.
ps. Group 111 Oil's are highly refined non synthetic oil's.
It is okay if you want to clean your engine a third or fourth time although the Auto-Rx Maintenace Plan really does the same thing (at a lot less cost)
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Frank, I am using ARX to stop a seal leak, so far it slowed but I can still notice a few drops on the ground.
Your instruction calls for 1000 miles, I think the BOSCH premium oil filter should have enough capacity. Dino Havoline 10-30 is used so far for 700 miles in 2nd application, check last night it is still looking yellowish. Thanks
Your instruction calls for 1000 miles, I think the BOSCH premium oil filter should have enough capacity. Dino Havoline 10-30 is used so far for 700 miles in 2nd application, check last night it is still looking yellowish. Thanks
Lexura,
Continue to run the Haviland dino for the rinse and then a 3000 mile run on the same dino after. This should be plenty of run time to allow the seal to reconform to the journal, leak solved.
Continue to run the Haviland dino for the rinse and then a 3000 mile run on the same dino after. This should be plenty of run time to allow the seal to reconform to the journal, leak solved.
do you have to change the filter first?
looking at just dumping it in now, with 1k miles on the current oil.
looking at just dumping it in now, with 1k miles on the current oil.
No need for changing the filter with that little mileage.
Auto-rx can only clean until the host oil's detergent/dispersant package is loaded. The rinse phase introduces new oil and fresh d/d to clean everything up.
Having said that, I have ran cleaning phases and rinse phases in excess of 3k to 4k. Long trips and on my friends' vehicles that I have little control over them changing their oil on time.
But there are UOAs that I've done on extended intervals with auto-rx in the UOA section. Feel free to search for them. They're rather boring seeing as there isn't very elevated wear but there are signs of cleaning. Of course, if it had been an interesting UOA it would have shown my engine self destructing! So I'm happy it's boring.
My advice, unless you're going on a 3000 mile round trip with auto-rx in....just follow the instructions.
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