Auto RX alternatives?

[Oilgal]

Originally Posted By: glennc
Originally Posted By: Rick20
Perhaps with regards to the ring packs, they were fully functional to start.


That was my conclusion.


Since that was also your conclusion, as I agree seems reasonable, then why do you so often post that ARX did nothing for your engine?

You seem to be on a campaign lately. I see posts from you, in many different threads, about how oil alone cleans up sludge and ARX did nothing for you. So I begin to wonder really what you are about, because you seem to imply that ARX is overrated, and all we who swear by it are delusional or something.

The fact remains however, that your reported experiences are outside the norm, and using ARX in an engine that for whatever reason didn't need it, says nothing, in any way at all, about the effectiveness of ARX.

 

[azsynthetic]

Originally Posted By: Oilgal
The fact remains however, that your reported experiences are outside the norm, and using ARX in an engine that for whatever reason didn't need it, says nothing, in any way at all, about the effectiveness of ARX.


He did say that the top varnish is/was still there after two treatments.

 

[Oilgal]

Well that's odd, because half way through my second ARX clean phase, the top varnish is now nearly all gone, and I was not even expecting it to clean up that much.

 

[sprintman]

I don't know homy times I've posted this but I'll do it one more time. Under the valve cover is a splash fed area which will see little cleaning. The pressure fed areas get really sorted out. What part of this do so many here not get?

 

[Oilgal]

I know, and that is why I was so surprised at how clean my cams are getting. Then again, the cam area in a 6G72 engine, gets a continual spray mist of oil. I do get your point though.

 

[sprintman]

Thankyou...s

 

[azsynthetic]

Originally Posted By: sprintman
I don't know homy times I've posted this but I'll do it one more time. Under the valve cover is a splash fed area which will see little cleaning. The pressure fed areas get really sorted out. What part of this do so many here not get?


The part about your opinion of what should and should not get clean by ARX. Show me where in the AutoRX ads does it say that "Under the valve cover is a splash fed area which will see little cleaning" or "The pressure fed areas get really sorted out". AutoRX is a good product but not every engine needs it.

 

[Oilgal]

It may not say that in the ads. Frank has said that more than a few times though, and you are right of course that not every engine needs it.

You guys gotta understand something. The "ARX army" referred to earlier, is made up of regular folks, most if not all of whom, even to this present moment remain very skeptical of additives. We aren't paid shills or ARX employees. We are just customers, who are amazed to have found a product, that actually performs as advertised. I tried ARX out of desperation, because I had nothing to loose, and it saved me form having to get a ring and valve job. I only regret that I didn't try it sooner.

 

[virginoil]

This thread was supposed to be about alternatives not about defending ARX.

ARX is great product no question, and has it supporters.

As an alternative My Toyota Dealer uses the WYNN's engine flush, WYNN's engine oil additive and WYNN's injection cleaner regime and is getting results and keeping engines free of sludge and running well. This is done whilst the engine is under warranty.

GM Holden sell the ACDelco engine crankcase cleaner.

 

[BrianWC]

Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
Originally Posted By: sprintman
I don't know homy times I've posted this but I'll do it one more time. Under the valve cover is a splash fed area which will see little cleaning. The pressure fed areas get really sorted out. What part of this do so many here not get?


The part about your opinion of what should and should not get clean by ARX. Show me where in the AutoRX ads does it say that "Under the valve cover is a splash fed area which will see little cleaning" or "The pressure fed areas get really sorted out". AutoRX is a good product but not every engine needs it.



While every engine may not need it most engines can probably still benefit from it. Yes, I, too, have seen Frank say multiple times that

A arx is not out to clean up cosmetic varnish

B arx does not work as quickly in areas that are only splash fed

He's been saying it for years and years now.

 

[azsynthetic]

Originally Posted By: BrianWC


While every engine may not need it most engines can probably still benefit from it. Yes, I, too, have seen Frank say multiple times that

A arx is not out to clean up cosmetic varnish

B arx does not work as quickly in areas that are only splash fed

He's been saying it for years and years now.


The AutoRX FAQ specifically said "Auto-Rx® does clean off the varnish, but due to varying engine designs it is impossible to give an exact timeframe." Nothing was mentioned about splash fed. If Frank been saying something for years about this then why did he not included in the FAQ?

 

[azsynthetic]

I used Amsoil engine flush instead of AutoRX because I don't like to switch to dino for the AutoRX application. In the past I have used solvent based engine cleaners and all those engines went over 200K with no problems.

 

[02zx9r]

The people that have tried auto-rx and knows it works, know how good it is and why it is highly recommended.

Down the road there may be an even better product, but for right now auto-rx is it.

Great product Frank!

 

[Frank]

Any engine new or used has dirt and other contaminants all over the internal parts. To say your engine is so clean you don,t need Auto-Rx is to deny facts lubrication engineers know. Oil will not lubricate through oil-dirt-particulates, oil skips to next clean area.Why spend extra money using products that either thin out your oil, cause excessive wear, there is no oil that can clean deep into the crevices of engine metal,if they loaded it up with more detergents the oil would lose lubricity. In fact several oils are almost at that point.I must admit varnish is not Auto-Rx major concern and why would it be ? it is a cosmetic issue, not related to how well your engine performs. Fact is varnish will be removed faster if the engine is a twin overhead cam, slower if its an inline 6, the salint point is Auto-Rx will remove varnish.

 

[BrianWC]

Originally Posted By: azsynthetic


The AutoRX FAQ specifically said "Auto-Rx® does clean off the varnish, but due to varying engine designs it is impossible to give an exact timeframe." Nothing was mentioned about splash fed. If Frank been saying something for years about this then why did he not included in the FAQ?


Exactly. Meaning it is not the intent of arx to clean off cosmetic varnish, rather to clean deposits at vital points such as ring lands. As for what Frank includes in the FAQ, take that up with Frank, he's easy enough to contact. Although, if you'd read through his posts, you might already have found the answer by now.

Arx isn't a miracle cure-all. It's worked for tons of people, though, and there's plenty of proof on these forums and on the arx website.

 

[BrianWC]

Lol, speak of the devil. Frank beat me to it!

 

[azsynthetic]

Originally Posted By: BrianWC
Originally Posted By: azsynthetic


The AutoRX FAQ specifically said "Auto-Rx® does clean off the varnish, but due to varying engine designs it is impossible to give an exact timeframe." Nothing was mentioned about splash fed. If Frank been saying something for years about this then why did he not included in the FAQ?


Exactly. Meaning it is not the intent of arx to clean off cosmetic varnish, rather to clean deposits at vital points such as ring lands.


I believe this is your personal interpretation and not what Frank is saying. The AutoRX FAQ is pretty clear as to what it will clean and that includes varnish. Not all engine varnishes are cosmetic, apparent by the fact that the API rating for SJ and SL include test for average piston skirt varnish and average engine varnish. As oil passes through the engine, varnish is deposited on all parts where oil flows. As varnish begins to build up on the oil pump screen and in the oil passages, it slowly reduces the amount of oil reaching vital parts of your engine. This condition increases friction, decreases performance, decreases fuel efficiency, and increases wear. When the oil passages or the oil pump screen becomes restricted or clogged, the prognosis is terminal. Tests done by API on SF rated motor oil show that 7.5% of the oil pump screen becomes clogged by varnish in less than ten thousand miles. This varnish, which is equally deposited throughout the engine, is responsible for many performance related problems, as well as, mechanical failure.

 

[BrianWC]

I assure you if you'd bother to look, you'd see what I am saying. Yes I understand the API testing processes and YES, ARX will clean varnish in the same fashion it will clean other deposits. HOWEVER, pulling of the valve cover and seeing varnish IS NOT the best indicator of what arx is cleaning. Try looking that statement up, too, to see if that's my opinion only.

It's a simple fact, areas that receive more heat and more oil flow are going to be more thoroughly cleaned. Type of deposit doesn't matter, it's exposure to heat and arx. Try looking that one up, too. I'm not pulling these out of thin air.

Trust me, I asked these same questions disbelievingly. I've been up all these paths and discovered they were only blind alleys.

 

[Frank]

I am dicussing cosmetic varnish (valve covers) there must be a multitude of posts on this subject on bitog.

Auto-Rx cleans any varnish on the internals. We use oil as a carrier and where it goes so does Auto-Rx.

The nice part is we open oil passages that have not been able to lubricate due to contaminants.

Brian is knowledgeable and staight forward. i accept what he says.

 

[dargo]

Originally Posted By: Frank
Any engine new or used has dirt and other contaminants all over the internal parts. To say your engine is so clean you don,t need Auto-Rx is to deny facts lubrication engineers know.


Not true since if it was "glennc" comp ratings would show this...Please see his posts #1096168. His engine was clean as the comp show. Even Rick20 says he was clean to start. Hum, so now Rick20 and Frank do not agree.LOL

I think ARX is good but sometimes it is not needed.