Austalia's Arguement for COAL vs. NUCLEAR Energy Production

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I keep reading things that I post in this forum for our general information and discussion. I HOPE IT'S NOT GETTING OLD.

Since this relates to our future and our friends in OZ, probably have less inertia politically and bureaucratically, it's interesting to me to see how they go about things. With regards to my fellow Australian Friends, here at BITOG.
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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19375595-2,00.html
 
pastmaster,

was there a link to "clean coal" that I read earlier in the day ?

If so, that's the one that I'm replying to.

they've been bleating about "clean coal" for the last 15 years that I'm aware of, and very little has been put into practice.

The state of Victoria is interesting, as they burn coal that won't be ready to be burned for another few million years.

It's Brown coal with up to 60% moisture, and a salt content that requires the units to be removed from service and de glazed regularly.

Their thermal efficiency is around half of a decent black coal, and their greenhouse emmissions about double.

If they closed down those pwoer stations and relocated them up here in NSW, the effect would be astronomical in terms of Oz greenhouse effect.

Look at a map of NSW, and the black coal extends from Newcastle, Under Sydney, and out past Mudgee...there's heaps.

The quoted power station is the least efficient in the country, and (along with the rest of the Victorian power stations) was privatised about 15 years ago...they were given a free coal mine with the station, so fuel costs are about the same as getting a hole dug anywhere. They make money by running flat biscuit, and have even offered zero dollars onto the spot market to keep burning the stuff.

I think that their state Govt stepped in because when privatised, they took over inflated sale prices, and guaranteed income (against market forces) if these companies couldn't compete, or were forced out due to carbon trading.

I'd not be suprised if a nuke came along (freeish fuel, and need bulk generation to recoup capital) that their state Govt would be in all sorts of trouble paying the dodgy deals.

Last thing this country needs is a power station that burns a rubbish fuel at 20% thermal efficiency spending 1/3 of its output collecting and sequestering CO2.
 
Back on sequestration...we keep hearing about nukes going boom.

Imagine if a 20 thousand tonnes of CO2 (about a day's running for a 1500MW station) were to be released violently from it's sequestration site.

The fatalities would be astronomical to every animal within kilometres of the incident.

It's happened with CO2 in dams and lakes.
 
Th Aussie coal lobby is getting nervous. Australia has some of the largest uranium reserves in the world and the price/lb is going through the roof. It is going to be awful tempting for Australia to go mining in a big way and perhaps build powerplants.
 
I don't know how it is in Australia, but up here, people have a big bugaboo about nuclear power. They don't want a plant anywhere near them, despite the fact that nuclear power has been used safely for decades. The few incidents that have happened were the result of either egregious errors or bad design, things that can be easily overcome if you put the right processes in place. Countries like France obtain well over half their power from nuclear. When was the last time you heard of an incident there?

I don't think coal is a good long term solution to our energy needs due to the emissions problems. Nuclear power needs to gain a better foothold than it has now.
 
sprintman, I think it's the height of NIMBY to dig the stuff up, and allow other people to "risk" burning uuranium, and not allow it in our own country.

With dry cooling technologies, they could be built out where no body lives anyway, rather than the coastal sites that they keep pointing at now.
 
I live in a New Zealand coal town,we have a power station only a few hundred metres from my house (the houses were built for the power station workers)The local coal is exported and we import lower grade coal from Indonesia I think to power the station.World ecconomics is weird stuff.
 
Silk, we pay more for local 22% ash coal here at the Oz power stations than the Japanese pay for 14% ash coal from the same mines (including delivery).
 
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I live in a New Zealand coal town,we have a power station only a few hundred metres from my house (the houses were built for the power station workers)The local coal is exported and we import lower grade coal from Indonesia I think to power the station.World ecconomics is weird stuff.

Weird indeed. I remember being in Scotland and listening to the (endless) complaints about having to sell mutton and lamb from New Zealand. As if there are no sheep in Scotland.
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So? NZ needs revenue. Scotland gets mutton dumped on them. Money goes to NZ. NZ gets something ..the Scots suck it up and move on.

It's all very prete porte.
 
You are kidding. Scotland has some of the best red meat in the world. Aberdeen Angus etc. Guess you don't have a hobby like my wife and I following international food? Actually it's a sickness really and costs us over a $100 a month in o'seas food mags alone but then Australia is a food obsessed nation. Organic chicken skewers tonight with a bunch of organic vegetables. D@mn we eat well in our house, I insist on it.
 
sprintman, you need to get some of the local roadside honey. $6/Kg, unpasturised, and awesomely nice.
 
Dunno what we get out of it now,but for 30 years after WWII we had to swallow some of the worst cars ever made as Briitan exported everything they could...while you ate our mutton.Then in the '80's we traded dairy products with Russia - and got Lada's in return! Food for cars,doesn't seem fair to me.
 
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