article about E15 ethanol and NREL study

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http://www.motor.com/article.asp?article_ID=1863
http://www.motor.com/magazine/pdfs/012012_03.pdf

good read about consequences of E15 being pushed to market by gov't.

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The 9.9-hp carbureted four-stoke test engine exhibited changing hydrocarbon (HC) emissions due to a condition where the engine misfires because the air/fuel ratio is not rich enough to support combustion. Higher running temperatures are believed to have damaged pistons. The month long exposure to E15 is credited with deterioration of several elastomeric hoses and gaskets. On the 300-hp engine, three exhaust valves failed and the pistons accumulated higher engine deposits. HC and NOx emissions were also higher. The 200-hp EFI two stroke engine suffered a failed rod bearing at 256 hours of a 300-hour test. On the 4.3L V6 EFI four-stoke stern-drive equipped with a catalyst system, the tests showed higher catalyst and exhaust valve temperatures.


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At the conclusion of the tests, it was determined that further testing was needed


yeah, further testing needed so they can fudge results and get E15 into market.
 
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Those lobbyists better knock it off or people are gonna realize what ethanol really does and go back to 100 percent gasoline.
 
I'd pay 25cents extra a gallon for 100% gas

Cant we get some independant stations out their with giant signs saying 100% gas??
 
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Originally Posted By: 229
WOW!
Anybody supplement their ethanol with a product named Startron?
Yes-in the boat only. Also use the marine Sta-Bil-it's in storage right now for the winter, I'll let you know how it does when I get it out in the spring.
 
Originally Posted By: 229
WOW!
Anybody supplement their ethanol with a product named Startron?

Your gas additives will do nothing with ethanol in your fuel.

Read this thread by the Chemist: Ethanol
 
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Originally Posted By: 229
WOW!
Anybody supplement their ethanol with a product named Startron?
Yes-in the boat only. Also use the marine Sta-Bil-it's in storage right now for the winter, I'll let you know how it does when I get it out in the spring.


I use the marine formula. It works good. But I don't let the boat sit all winter. It gets started up once a month if i'm not using it.
 
Originally Posted By: 229
WOW!
Anybody supplement their ethanol with a product named Startron?


Yes, I have used it for a few years now. Very good stuff. It really does help deal with the problems associated with Ethanol fuel( i.e. moisture and storage issues ).
 
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Originally Posted By: 229
WOW!
Anybody supplement their ethanol with a product named Startron?
Yes-in the boat only. Also use the marine Sta-Bil-it's in storage right now for the winter, I'll let you know how it does when I get it out in the spring.


No real need to use both. Startron is a fuel stabilizer in addition to it's other benefits.
 
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: 229
WOW!
Anybody supplement their ethanol with a product named Startron?

Your gas additives will do nothing with ethanol in your fuel.

Read this thread by the Chemist: Ethanol


Startron will. Go read up on it to see...

http://mystarbrite.com/startron/
 
The M.S. Chemist states to not use any additive in Ethanol and to avoid the ethanol if you have a station in the area that sells non-ethanol. Isopropl alcohol is an additive to add to non-ethanol fuel to dry out water.
 
The objective of this work was to understand the effects of running a 15% ethanol blend on outboard marine engines during 300 hours of wide-open throttle (WOT) endurance – a typical outboard marine engine durability test.

It doesn't take a rocket engineer to realize what this research's methology and what occurs in the real world are two different things.

Not far after the objective work was stated one reads this: "these results are not considered statistically significant" In other words, there was no real difference between E0 and E15 results.

Page 36: Due to failures of both the E0 and E15 engines,

I doubt mainstream journalism will go over the report and report the truth.
 
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: 229
WOW!
Anybody supplement their ethanol with a product named Startron?

Your gas additives will do nothing with ethanol in your fuel.

Read this thread by the Chemist: Ethanol


Startron will. Go read up on it to see...

http://mystarbrite.com/startron/


This is a commercial web site.
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What do you expect them to say about their product? It sucks and does nothing, but buy it anyway??
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Originally Posted By: 229
The M.S. Chemist states to not use any additive in Ethanol and to avoid the ethanol if you have a station in the area that sells non-ethanol. Isopropl alcohol is an additive to add to non-ethanol fuel to dry out water.


Quote by the Chemist:

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Originally Posted by fusion44
What about Star*Tron Fuel Treatment ? I've been using it for the last few years and no Problems .

star*tron- naphtha solvent and 5% enzymes, it's all about good marketing and startron is the best at it ,when startron first came out 90% of all pump gas was non-ethanol and then came E-10 and all the fuel stabilizer company's had to change there marketing to keep sales up, 80% of all fuel stabilizer's contain naphtha or petroleum distillate's and would help some what in non-ethanol gas but with E-10 no ethanol gas is a very strong solvent and cleanser and pump gas already contain's many of the ingredient's used in the fuel stabilizers and none of them can remove water from fuel or stop phase separation, i could go on for days with this. Just remember proper E-10 fuel management is what matters.
 
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: 229
WOW!
Anybody supplement their ethanol with a product named Startron?

Your gas additives will do nothing with ethanol in your fuel.

Read this thread by the Chemist: Ethanol


Startron will. Go read up on it to see...

http://mystarbrite.com/startron/


This is a commercial web site.
06.gif


What do you expect them to say about their product? It sucks and does nothing, but buy it anyway??
crazy2.gif



All I can say is I have used it and it has worked great. Have even seen 1st hand demo's of how it handles water in fuel. You believe what you want. Excuse me for trying to let you know it actually works.
 
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
All I can say is I have used it and it has worked great. Have even seen 1st hand demo's of how it handles water in fuel. You believe what you want. Excuse me for trying to let you know it actually works.


My aplogies, I did not mean to offend ;I do get carried away with the emoticns at times.

If it works for you, then that is all that matters. It is mostly Naptha...


startron.jpg
 
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
All I can say is I have used it and it has worked great. Have even seen 1st hand demo's of how it handles water in fuel. You believe what you want. Excuse me for trying to let you know it actually works.


My aplogies, I did not mean to offend ;I do get carried away with the emoticns at times.

If it works for you, then that is all that matters. It is mostly Naptha...


startron.jpg



Mostly is not ALL. It works and works very well. Try it yourself before saying it won't work( meant friendly ).

I actually use my boat 99% of the time from October-mid February for waterfowl hunting. It is extremely important that I deal with the problem of moisture in my fuel as we have no options here other than E10( all octanes ). Trust me, the middele of January when it is snowing, sleeting, the wind is howling, and the temp with wind chill is below zero - AND you are hunting literally in the ocean( Atlantic ) - is no time to have fuel problems. Startron does an excellent job of dealing with the noisture in the fuel.

I also use it in all of my small yard equipment( snowblower, lawn mower, generator )as well as my boat gas tank for lengthy storage. It is just too much of a PITB draining the tanks if the unit won't be used for a long time. As you clearly know, ethanol blended fuels have an approx 90 day lifespan before bad things happen. Startron prevents phase seperation and deals with the moisture. It also stops that nasty reddish growth you can get from ethanol blended fuels that sit for long periods of time.

Maybe it is mostly naptha but all I know is it works. I have zero fuel issues when using it. Not moisture related in extreme conditions nor anything related to long term storage of 90+ days.
 
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Originally Posted By: 229
WOW!
Anybody supplement their ethanol with a product named Startron?
Yes-in the boat only. Also use the marine Sta-Bil-it's in storage right now for the winter, I'll let you know how it does when I get it out in the spring.


No real need to use both. Startron is a fuel stabilizer in addition to it's other benefits.
Well-actually I use the Startron in normal use, & the Sta-Bil is in it for the winter. It has a full tank, and I ran as much fuel out of the carb as I could (pinched off the supply before the fuel pump). Unfortunately no non-E10 here either, other than a couple of distant marinas.
 
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI

It works and works very well. Try it yourself before saying it won't work( meant friendly ).


I would have tried it, but as of last week I now use ethanol free gas in every product I own. Cars, boats, snowmobiles OPE, everything.. I have no use for it

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