Are Pickup Truck Drivers Dangerous ?

I pretty much stopped riding my road bicycle because of close calls with cars and trucks. The worst by far is guys driving brodozers who think a bicycle has zero rights to any part of the roadway. Many times I had a guy pass me at 50-60 MPH and see how close he could get to me without hitting me. Let me tell you, a brodozer truck passing you at 12" and 60 MPH will instantly make some pretty foul language fly out of your mouth. How do I know they did it on purpose? Because there was no opposing traffic in the other lane.
Years ago, a couple of guys in a Jeep, looking college age, went past me, while I was on my bike. The guy leaning out the passenger window questioned my sexuality while getting my skin color wrong. The kicker? The driver was kind enough to nearly be in the ditch on the other side of the road.

I've been pushed off the road by a school bus, and buzzed a number of times, but I still chuckle at that memory.
 
Across the board, I think drivers have gradually gotten worse. But I remember complaining of bad drivers 20 years ago. I do, however, think they are worse. Here are the factors:
1. Doing away with drivers ed in many school systems. When I grew up, every kid got free drivers ed during the summer around 9th or 10th grade. Now, I think it's mostly expensive and privatized so many don't get it. I dated a woman who was a horrific driver, worse than you can imagine. And surprise surprise, no drivers ed (couldn't swim either, which I find bizarre).

2. More power in modern vehicles, and the vechiles just "look" more mean and aggressive which I think sets the jerk attitude. 30 years ago, the typical car had around 150hp, muscle cars had 200hp, and trucks had around 250hp. You can basically double that today. And that means effortless speed and power. Think about cars from the 80s and 90s, they looked soft and friendly generally, or business looking. Now practically every vehicle has a narrow eye and scowl look, like its having a bad day and is going to eat you.

3. Faster speed limits. Growing up, I recall 55mph was for 2 lanes and I think 60 or 65mph was for interstates and that felt very fast in my youth. Now, interstates in many states is 80mph. Considering folks routinely go 10mph over, you're looking at 65 on 2-lane roads and 90mph on highways.

4. Improvements in safety is a double edged sword so that people feel totally safe going 100mph in lifted trucks. It's crazy, but I see it every time I'm on the interstate. Improvements in braking, handling, HID lights giving farther vision, tire technology, and passenger survivability airbags, seatbelts, crumple zones, better safety designs, etc. all adds up to people feeling invincible. Taking this one step further, decades ago bad drivers met Darwin. Today, they survive and keep being bad drivers, reproduce, and teach their kids how to be bad drivers.

5. Action movies that totally defy physics, to cartoon levels, have tricked youth into not understanding physics. They don't understand energy, braking distances, forces, etc. When your hero in film defies gravity and physics and never gets hurt, walking away from every catastrophe unharmed and he's invincible, you get a generation of young men (and women) who literally do not understand physics and think they, too, are invincible.

6. Bias towards truck drivers, is probably because for many years now, auto companies make fewer cars and more trucks, and trucks represent the largest selling vehicle designs. So naturally trucks dominate the landscape with a typical vehicle owner profile of a younger man, 20-50 yrs old, and of course men in this age bracket are disproportionately aggressive.

Edited to add #7. Stress, anti-social behavior, and time-constraints and demands today, seems off the charts. I see this almost everywhere in society. Nearly everyone I know is stressed to the max, redlined on anxiety, has no time for themselves and is struggling in many directions with the unrealistic societal and economic demands. It's why we have seen an uptick in bizarre public behavior, random and family violence, the lack of tolerance for others, lack of respect for others, crazy demands on our time, and so forth. A myriad of socio-economic problems too. That all translates to road aggression.

The combination of this, is why we all tend to see aggressive drivers but seem to find trucks the most offensive. Plus, trucks tend to be the most offensive as they are lifted, roll coal, etc. I think a big chunk of drivers on the roads, are absolutely insane. I see so much reckless driving I simply drive as little as possible anymore.

They are not as bad as Tesla drivers.
There's Teslas on the roads? I rarely to never see them. They all must be sitting at chargers all day. I still think the company value is totally fabricated b/c practically nobody owns Teslas. It's like a unicorn. LOL.
 
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Across the board, I think drivers have gradually gotten worse. But I remember complaining of bad drivers 20 years ago. I do, however, think they are worse. Here are the factors:
1. Doing away with drivers ed in many school systems. When I grew up, every kid got free drivers ed during the summer around 9th or 10th grade. Now, I think it's mostly expensive and privatized so many don't get it. I dated a woman who was a horrific driver, worse than you can imagine. And surprise surprise, no drivers ed (couldn't swim either, which I find bizarre).

2. More power in modern vehicles, and the vechiles just "look" more mean and aggressive which I think sets the jerk attitude. 30 years ago, the typical car had around 150hp, muscle cars had 200hp, and trucks had around 250hp. You can basically double that today. And that means effortless speed and power. Think about cars from the 80s and 90s, they looked soft and friendly generally, or business looking. Now practically every vehicle has a narrow eye and scowl look, like its having a bad day and is going to eat you.

3. Faster speed limits. Growing up, I recall 55mph was for 2 lanes and I think 60 or 65mph was for interstates and that felt very fast in my youth. Now, interstates in many states is 80mph. Considering folks routinely go 10mph over, you're looking at 65 on 2-lane roads and 90mph on highways.

4. Improvements in safety is a double edged sword so that people feel totally safe going 100mph in lifted trucks. It's crazy, but I see it every time I'm on the interstate. Improvements in braking, handling, HID lights giving farther vision, tire technology, and passenger survivability airbags, seatbelts, crumple zones, better safety designs, etc. all adds up to people feeling invincible. Taking this one step further, decades ago bad drivers met Darwin. Today, they survive and keep being bad drivers, reproduce, and teach their kids how to be bad drivers.

5. Action movies that totally defy physics, to cartoon levels, have tricked youth into not understanding physics. They don't understand energy, braking distances, forces, etc. When your hero in film defies gravity and physics and never gets hurt, walking away from every catastrophe unharmed and he's invincible, you get a generation of young men (and women) who literally do not understand physics and think they, too, are invincible.

6. Bias towards truck drivers, is probably because for many years now, auto companies make fewer cars and more trucks, and trucks represent the largest selling vehicle designs. So naturally trucks dominate the landscape with a typical vehicle owner profile of a younger man, 20-50 yrs old, and of course men in this age bracket are disproportionately aggressive.

The combination of this, is why we all tend to see aggressive drivers but seem to find trucks the most offensive. Plus, trucks tend to be the most offensive as they are lifted, roll coal, etc. I think a big chunk of drivers on the roads, are absolutely insane. I see so much reckless driving I simply drive as little as possible anymore.


There's Teslas on the roads? I rarely to never see them. They all must be sitting at chargers all day. I still think the company value is totally fabricated b/c practically nobody owns Teslas. It's like a unicorn. LOL.
I see a lot of Teslas.
 
There's Teslas on the roads? I rarely to never see them. They all must be sitting at chargers all day. I still think the company value is totally fabricated b/c practically nobody owns Teslas. It's like a unicorn. LOL.
Tesla's are everywhere here. 17% of the cars on the road are a Tesla. I believe it.
 

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Tesla's are everywhere here. 17% of the cars on the road are a Tesla. I believe it.
It was a tongue-in-cheek joke, but no, 17% of the CA registered cars are not Teslas. You might be in a highly concentrated zip code that has them, however.

CA has over 35,600,000 registered vehicles, per the DMV in Jan 2023
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/news-and-media/dmv-statistics/

Latest info I care to find is from 15 months ago in 12/2021 which states CA has 563,000 EVs. Considering Telsa might have doubled that number, heck tripled it since then, there's maybe 1.5 million. That's about a 4% registration of EVs in CA.
https://electrek.co/2022/08/24/current-ev-registrations-in-the-us-how-does-your-state-stack-up/

Not trying to derail this thread here.
 
Since I started to ride a motorcycle two years ago I have noticed most full size truck drivers think they’re the king of the road. The brodozer bros are the worst with riding up your ass in the fast lane.
I would agree. There are lots of idiots thst drive aggressively, but those in one ton pickups are just worse, imo…. You know if they lose control it’s not going to end well compared way, to a sedan.

Dumptruck drivers are actually the worst imo..
 
I would agree. There are lots of idiots thst drive aggressively, but those in one ton pickups are just worse, imo…. You know if they lose control it’s not going to end well compared way, to a sedan.

Dumptruck drivers are actually the worst imo..

I might have to challenge that, have you seen how tow truck drivers drive?
 
I might have to challenge that, have you seen how tow truck drivers drive?
Good point.

Once I had a blowout, and a flat spare…stupid me… it was on I-95 like 90 mikes from my home. I called AAA, they dispatched a flatbed, I had to ride in it, single cab truck with two other guys, driving 85+ mph, clogged dpf, CEL, brake warning light on, etc…. I feared for my life and my car…
 
Across the board, I think drivers have gradually gotten worse. But I remember complaining of bad drivers 20 years ago. I do, however, think they are worse. Here are the factors:
1. Doing away with drivers ed in many school systems. When I grew up, every kid got free drivers ed during the summer around 9th or 10th grade. Now, I think it's mostly expensive and privatized so many don't get it. I dated a woman who was a horrific driver, worse than you can imagine. And surprise surprise, no drivers ed (couldn't swim either, which I find bizarre).

2. More power in modern vehicles, and the vechiles just "look" more mean and aggressive which I think sets the jerk attitude. 30 years ago, the typical car had around 150hp, muscle cars had 200hp, and trucks had around 250hp. You can basically double that today. And that means effortless speed and power. Think about cars from the 80s and 90s, they looked soft and friendly generally, or business looking. Now practically every vehicle has a narrow eye and scowl look, like its having a bad day and is going to eat you.

3. Faster speed limits. Growing up, I recall 55mph was for 2 lanes and I think 60 or 65mph was for interstates and that felt very fast in my youth. Now, interstates in many states is 80mph. Considering folks routinely go 10mph over, you're looking at 65 on 2-lane roads and 90mph on highways.

4. Improvements in safety is a double edged sword so that people feel totally safe going 100mph in lifted trucks. It's crazy, but I see it every time I'm on the interstate. Improvements in braking, handling, HID lights giving farther vision, tire technology, and passenger survivability airbags, seatbelts, crumple zones, better safety designs, etc. all adds up to people feeling invincible. Taking this one step further, decades ago bad drivers met Darwin. Today, they survive and keep being bad drivers, reproduce, and teach their kids how to be bad drivers.

5. Action movies that totally defy physics, to cartoon levels, have tricked youth into not understanding physics. They don't understand energy, braking distances, forces, etc. When your hero in film defies gravity and physics and never gets hurt, walking away from every catastrophe unharmed and he's invincible, you get a generation of young men (and women) who literally do not understand physics and think they, too, are invincible.

6. Bias towards truck drivers, is probably because for many years now, auto companies make fewer cars and more trucks, and trucks represent the largest selling vehicle designs. So naturally trucks dominate the landscape with a typical vehicle owner profile of a younger man, 20-50 yrs old, and of course men in this age bracket are disproportionately aggressive.

Edited to add #7. Stress, anti-social behavior, and time-constraints and demands today, seems off the charts. I see this almost everywhere in society. Nearly everyone I know is stressed to the max, redlined on anxiety, has no time for themselves and is struggling in many directions with the unrealistic societal and economic demands. It's why we have seen an uptick in bizarre public behavior, random and family violence, the lack of tolerance for others, lack of respect for others, crazy demands on our time, and so forth. A myriad of socio-economic problems too. That all translates to road aggression.

The combination of this, is why we all tend to see aggressive drivers but seem to find trucks the most offensive. Plus, trucks tend to be the most offensive as they are lifted, roll coal, etc. I think a big chunk of drivers on the roads, are absolutely insane. I see so much reckless driving I simply drive as little as possible anymore.


There's Teslas on the roads? I rarely to never see them. They all must be sitting at chargers all day. I still think the company value is totally fabricated b/c practically nobody owns Teslas. It's like a unicorn. LOL.


I really like and sgreee with your post here…

One thing though…. On point 4 I agree but differ…

You can’t overcome physics…

Airbags, seat belts and crush panel zones will not save anyone hitting a immovable object that allows all the kinetic energy to be passed on to that vehicle and…. That drivers or passenger body. The cervical spine can not take but so much force. I’ve seen many markers on trees where people died… No amount of airbags or seatbelts will save a person in many, many of those accidents. A basilar skull fracture is lights out.
Unless those people had a HANS device on and a well fitted car seat that didn’t move… Then they could survive those crashes too. Unless a femur fracture cuts their femoral artery and then … they die to in less than 90 to 120 seconds.
 
Good point.

Once I had a blowout, and a flat spare…stupid me… it was on I-95 like 90 mikes from my home. I called AAA, they dispatched a flatbed, I had to ride in it, single cab truck with two other guys, driving 85+ mph, clogged dpf, CEL, brake warning light on, etc…. I feared for my life and my car…


This sounds like when I went on a date with a lady who drove wild… and I mean wild as heck… Swear I should have signed a waiver before getting into the car with her that afternoon before getting into her car… :LOL:
 
I really like and sgreee with your post here…

One thing though…. On point 4 I agree but differ…

You can’t overcome physics…

Airbags, seat belts and crush panel zones will not save anyone hitting a immovable object that allows all the kinetic energy to be passed on to that vehicle and…. That drivers or passenger body. The cervical spine can not take but so much force. I’ve seen many markers on trees where people died… No amount of airbags or seatbelts will save a person in many, many of those accidents. A basilar skull fracture is lights out.
Unless those people had a HANS device on and a well fitted car seat that didn’t move… Then they could survive those crashes too. Unless a femur fracture cuts their femoral artery and then … they die to in less than 90 to 120 seconds.
Yep - It certainly can be worse when a ladder framed truck hits a culvert …
 
I’m in Norway … plenty Tesla cars … various makes of EV … even a fair number of eStangs …
All that almost free hydroelectric power…. That’s about to go away when they start feeding it at market rates into Europe….
 
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On point 4 I agree but differ…

You can’t overcome physics…

Airbags, seat belts and crush panel zones will not save anyone hitting a immovable object that allows all the kinetic energy to be passed on to that vehicle and…. That drivers or passenger body. The cervical spine can not take but so much force. I’ve seen many markers on trees where people died… No amount of airbags or seatbelts will save a person in many, many of those accidents. A basilar skull fracture is lights out.
I'll just let the evidence speak for itself. People today are surviving unbelievable accidents that were unsurvivable decades ago. 150mph head on collisions, cars going off cliffs, etc. These safety features are clearly saving lives which would have not occurred pre 2000.

Think of all the famous people in history, killed in car accidents. Today, those same accidents are very survivable.

James Dean was killed going 55mph in a single car accident on a rural road, in a 1950s sports car. Sam Kinison was killed in a head on collision, driving a 90s Trans Am against a pickup truck, probably combined speed of 120 or so. Meanwhile, a NFL player named Ruggs was going 3x that speed about 156mph and hit a parked car, and Ruggs and his passenger survived with minor injures.

We saw this year a Tesla drive off a cliff! All 4 or 5 passengers survived.
 
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Work in moving traffic long enough and you'll figure out that the world is full of terrible drivers - and they come in every type of vehicle and person driving imaginable. Equal opportunity if you will...
 
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