Apple successfully blocks HTC sales in the US
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Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
There's a very fine line between protecting your corporate intellectual property, and being a giant corporate ____.
Microspnge did and do it, and Apple played the poor little hard done by market entrant.
Then started with their specious "we patented that" stuff.
The Heinlen, Clarke families should similarly be able to patent every idea in all of their literary works, and sue anyone who actually does the work to make the idea work.
(Well they shouldn't actually, they didn't make it happen).
There's a very fine line between protecting your corporate intellectual property, and being a giant corporate ____.
Microspnge did and do it, and Apple played the poor little hard done by market entrant.
Then started with their specious "we patented that" stuff.
The Heinlen, Clarke families should similarly be able to patent every idea in all of their literary works, and sue anyone who actually does the work to make the idea work.
(Well they shouldn't actually, they didn't make it happen).
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Apple sues when the ideas or products they are protecting weren't even their own.
Most hypocritical company ever.
If they can be more profitable by being hypocritical, why on earth wouldn't they be hyocritical? And what is hypocritical about taking whatever legal measures you can with whatever resources you've got to vanquish your competitors? Their motive is profit, not being good; this is the way we've chosen to design the system. Apple just seems to be much better at it than most... "Patent trolling" has become the best way to make loads of money in the tech industry these days!
Apple sues when the ideas or products they are protecting weren't even their own.
Most hypocritical company ever.
If they can be more profitable by being hypocritical, why on earth wouldn't they be hyocritical? And what is hypocritical about taking whatever legal measures you can with whatever resources you've got to vanquish your competitors? Their motive is profit, not being good; this is the way we've chosen to design the system. Apple just seems to be much better at it than most... "Patent trolling" has become the best way to make loads of money in the tech industry these days!
Originally Posted By: GMZ
Originally Posted By: kb01
Given how crucial of a supplier of iPhone parts Samsung is, I'm surprised they put up with the lawsuits.
This, they are snapping at the hand that feeds.
Other way around.
Apple is Samsung's second largest customer. If Apple walked away, or if Samsung turned them away, Apple would just go to another supplier. A supplier that would accept them with open arms. It would be impossible for Samsung to replace Apple.
Samsung made a $3.6 billion investment in a Texas facility that was built specifically to produce Apple processors. The little legal squabbles are small beans compared to the amount of investment Samsung has in producing components for Apple. You don't play petty little games with the supply chain when billions of dollars are going back and forth.
It's fun to talk about on Internet forums, but neither Apple nor Samsung got where they are by making stupid emotional business decisions.
Originally Posted By: kb01
Given how crucial of a supplier of iPhone parts Samsung is, I'm surprised they put up with the lawsuits.
This, they are snapping at the hand that feeds.
Other way around.
Apple is Samsung's second largest customer. If Apple walked away, or if Samsung turned them away, Apple would just go to another supplier. A supplier that would accept them with open arms. It would be impossible for Samsung to replace Apple.
Samsung made a $3.6 billion investment in a Texas facility that was built specifically to produce Apple processors. The little legal squabbles are small beans compared to the amount of investment Samsung has in producing components for Apple. You don't play petty little games with the supply chain when billions of dollars are going back and forth.
It's fun to talk about on Internet forums, but neither Apple nor Samsung got where they are by making stupid emotional business decisions.
So the "market" being the most "efficient" means of delivering goods and services to the public is a farce ?
It seems to be the most expensive...least work for most money.
People complain about the U.S. being the lawsuit capital of the world, but the more that I see on BITOG, lots of people like the "lottery" aspect of being able to get something for nothing.
It seems to be the most expensive...least work for most money.
People complain about the U.S. being the lawsuit capital of the world, but the more that I see on BITOG, lots of people like the "lottery" aspect of being able to get something for nothing.
Originally Posted By: Nick R
http://www.dailytech.com/Game+Over+Apple...rticle24691.htm
what a victory. Less competition and choice, is always good for the consumer. And the patent in question?
"Specifically, Apple's import ban focuses on U.S. Patent No. 5,946,647. The patent claims the invention of a process that converts phone numbers or addresses found inside apps into queryable objects. Called "data tapping" for short, the feature allows you to tap a number on a webpage within the web browser or from an email inside the email client app and be redirected to the phone app to make a call to that number."
Strange, I seem to recall using this on phones before the iphone came out. My first phone, Samsung Sync, a flip phone, had this. =|
The Sync did this through any website on a web browser?
People like to hate on Apple now more than ever because of how powerful they have become. They are a huge corporation, lawsuits will take place if patents are infringed. Plain and simple.
All of these mobile divisions are doing the same exact thing. Microsoft is probably the worst. And Google is every bit as "evil" as these other guys.
http://www.dailytech.com/Game+Over+Apple...rticle24691.htm
what a victory. Less competition and choice, is always good for the consumer. And the patent in question?
"Specifically, Apple's import ban focuses on U.S. Patent No. 5,946,647. The patent claims the invention of a process that converts phone numbers or addresses found inside apps into queryable objects. Called "data tapping" for short, the feature allows you to tap a number on a webpage within the web browser or from an email inside the email client app and be redirected to the phone app to make a call to that number."
Strange, I seem to recall using this on phones before the iphone came out. My first phone, Samsung Sync, a flip phone, had this. =|
The Sync did this through any website on a web browser?
People like to hate on Apple now more than ever because of how powerful they have become. They are a huge corporation, lawsuits will take place if patents are infringed. Plain and simple.
All of these mobile divisions are doing the same exact thing. Microsoft is probably the worst. And Google is every bit as "evil" as these other guys.
Originally Posted By: Nick R
You know what they say, when you can't innovate, litigate.
Srry Nick, gotta disagree here.
While Apple may not have the honor of saying they "Invented" some of the tech they have put out since there start, they are the MASTERS of innovation.
The "window" based OS, computer mouse, touch screen smart phone, App Store, MP3 player, laptop, and tablet computer were innovated, beautifully, by Apple.
It was Apple that got these things to where they are today. If it was not for Apple's innovation, the entire tech market would not be anywhere close to where it is today.
What if some of these suits are fair.
Apple has a patent. If HTC is putting out a phone with similar tech that Apple has a patent to, is it not ok for Apple to explore legal action?
As a share holder, I feel it is there job to protect my best interest.
Apple answers to it's stock holders. And we have NOTHING to complain about!
You know what they say, when you can't innovate, litigate.
Srry Nick, gotta disagree here.
While Apple may not have the honor of saying they "Invented" some of the tech they have put out since there start, they are the MASTERS of innovation.
The "window" based OS, computer mouse, touch screen smart phone, App Store, MP3 player, laptop, and tablet computer were innovated, beautifully, by Apple.
It was Apple that got these things to where they are today. If it was not for Apple's innovation, the entire tech market would not be anywhere close to where it is today.
What if some of these suits are fair.
Apple has a patent. If HTC is putting out a phone with similar tech that Apple has a patent to, is it not ok for Apple to explore legal action?
As a share holder, I feel it is there job to protect my best interest.
Apple answers to it's stock holders. And we have NOTHING to complain about!
Originally Posted By: GMZ
Originally Posted By: kb01
Given how crucial of a supplier of iPhone parts Samsung is, I'm surprised they put up with the lawsuits.
This, they are snapping at the hand that feeds.
Samsung relies on Apple VERY heavily.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/...pply_chain.html
Samsung value drops $10B as investors fear it being cut out of Apple supply chain. . .
. . . Concern that Samsung could lose orders for dynamic random access memory from Apple caused the company's stock to drop 6 percent on Wednesday
Originally Posted By: kb01
Given how crucial of a supplier of iPhone parts Samsung is, I'm surprised they put up with the lawsuits.
This, they are snapping at the hand that feeds.
Samsung relies on Apple VERY heavily.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/...pply_chain.html
Samsung value drops $10B as investors fear it being cut out of Apple supply chain. . .
. . . Concern that Samsung could lose orders for dynamic random access memory from Apple caused the company's stock to drop 6 percent on Wednesday
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The "window" based OS, computer mouse, touch screen smart phone, App Store, MP3 player, laptop, and tablet computer were innovated, beautifully, by Apple.
Developed simultaneously by Apple & Microsoft. Note that Apple didn't have a 2-button mouse until a few years ago! Everyone else had them 20+ years ago.
The "window" based OS, computer mouse, touch screen smart phone, App Store, MP3 player, laptop, and tablet computer were innovated, beautifully, by Apple.
Developed simultaneously by Apple & Microsoft. Note that Apple didn't have a 2-button mouse until a few years ago! Everyone else had them 20+ years ago.
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
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The "window" based OS, computer mouse, touch screen smart phone, App Store, MP3 player, laptop, and tablet computer were innovated, beautifully, by Apple.
Developed simultaneously by Apple & Microsoft. Note that Apple didn't have a 2-button mouse until a few years ago! Everyone else had them 20+ years ago.
Apple was the first to offer a mouse in a commercial computer. After seeing a expensive, top of the line, prototype at Xerox. Apple "Innovated" the design, made it tens times better and more cost effective to make. Thus paving the way for the mouse of today.
Before that users had to type command prompts. Computer "nerds" of the time hated the mouse and thought typing command prompts was the best and the mouse "dumbed" the computer down.
Thank Apple for bringing the mouse to market.
As for Microsoft:
Apple got the graphical user interface concepts along with the mouse concepts from Xerox. A company that had a rough, yet fantastic concept computer, but they did not know it would change the world. Steve Jobs DID. He got the mouse and graphical user interface ideas from Xerox for a song and a dance. Apple spent the time and money on "Innovating" the concepts into "tech"world changing things.
It was while Bill Gates and his company Microsoft, at the time a SOFTWARE company (and still is), was working on writing software for Apple's "new and never before seen in the commercial/consumer market" graphical user interface that had a easy to use mouse, that he got the "idea" to make "Windows".
Bill Gates made Windows, an obvious copy from Apple's OS, and it blew up in the 90's. Not because it was "better". But because of a few key things. Microsoft was and is a software company. After Bill started Windows, he basically told Apple to go pound sand. He stopped writing software for Apple. IBM, a company that did not like Apple moving in on there turf, put out "cheaper priced" PC's with Windows OS. Then Follwed HP, Dell, ect. . . . and that was that as they say.
As stated. Apple is one of the (and if you go by profit, is THE) best innovators around.
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The "window" based OS, computer mouse, touch screen smart phone, App Store, MP3 player, laptop, and tablet computer were innovated, beautifully, by Apple.
Developed simultaneously by Apple & Microsoft. Note that Apple didn't have a 2-button mouse until a few years ago! Everyone else had them 20+ years ago.
Apple was the first to offer a mouse in a commercial computer. After seeing a expensive, top of the line, prototype at Xerox. Apple "Innovated" the design, made it tens times better and more cost effective to make. Thus paving the way for the mouse of today.
Before that users had to type command prompts. Computer "nerds" of the time hated the mouse and thought typing command prompts was the best and the mouse "dumbed" the computer down.
Thank Apple for bringing the mouse to market.
As for Microsoft:
Apple got the graphical user interface concepts along with the mouse concepts from Xerox. A company that had a rough, yet fantastic concept computer, but they did not know it would change the world. Steve Jobs DID. He got the mouse and graphical user interface ideas from Xerox for a song and a dance. Apple spent the time and money on "Innovating" the concepts into "tech"world changing things.
It was while Bill Gates and his company Microsoft, at the time a SOFTWARE company (and still is), was working on writing software for Apple's "new and never before seen in the commercial/consumer market" graphical user interface that had a easy to use mouse, that he got the "idea" to make "Windows".
Bill Gates made Windows, an obvious copy from Apple's OS, and it blew up in the 90's. Not because it was "better". But because of a few key things. Microsoft was and is a software company. After Bill started Windows, he basically told Apple to go pound sand. He stopped writing software for Apple. IBM, a company that did not like Apple moving in on there turf, put out "cheaper priced" PC's with Windows OS. Then Follwed HP, Dell, ect. . . . and that was that as they say.
As stated. Apple is one of the (and if you go by profit, is THE) best innovators around.
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Originally Posted By: rg200amp
The "window" based OS, computer mouse
Xerox. The Alto and the Star, 1981, mouse and all.
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touch screen smart phone,
The IBM Simon. 1992. Sold through BellSouth starting in 1993. Pre-dates the iPhone by oh, about 15 years.
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App Store, MP3 player,
Audio Highway - Listen Up. 1996. 5 years before the iPod.
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laptop,
Grid Compass. 1982
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and tablet computer were innovated, beautifully, by Apple.
Microsoft Tablet PC pre-dates the Ipad by 9 years.
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It was Apple that got these things to where they are today. If it was not for Apple's innovation, the entire tech market would not be anywhere close to where it is today.
The vast majority of laptops run Windows, just like the vast majority of PC's run Windows. Apple has in no way steered the course of the laptop PC. Though what you've written is an interesting opinion piece, everything you've claimed that Apple has "pioneered" has been done before Apple did it. And much of it successfully.
Apple makes the most popular MP3 player. But they were not the first to market one.
Apple makes the most popular touch-screen phone. But they were not the first to market one.
Apple makes the most popular tablet. But they were not the first to market one.
Catch the theme? Apple has managed to take certain (pre-existing) ideas, tweak them, market them VERY well and turn them into grand slams. That doesn't make them innovative, that makes them smart. Innovative implies that they are doing something that nobody else does. A pioneer. What is innovative about the MacBook Pro? It's a Foxconn motherboard with an Intel CPU, in a nice case with a pretty screen running a proprietary OS. Its predecessor was even less striking from its competitors, wrapped in unremarkable white plastic. And its predecessor even less so, looking very similar to the DELL and Toshiba laptops of its day.....
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What if some of these suits are fair.
Apple has a patent. If HTC is putting out a phone with similar tech that Apple has a patent to, is it not ok for Apple to explore legal action?
As a share holder, I feel it is there job to protect my best interest.
Apple answers to it's stock holders. And we have NOTHING to complain about!
Because Apple is patenting things just to stifle competition. That's what has people's noses out of joint. And they are using these patents to strong-arm their competitors into producing lesser products in an attempt to make them not as competitive.
It would be like RIM patenting the freakin' smartphone keyboard and then suing everybody else who put a keyboard on their phone. It is like Michelin patenting the shape of a tire and then suing Goodyear, Firestone...etc for patent infringement.
The "window" based OS, computer mouse
Xerox. The Alto and the Star, 1981, mouse and all.
Quote:
touch screen smart phone,
The IBM Simon. 1992. Sold through BellSouth starting in 1993. Pre-dates the iPhone by oh, about 15 years.
Quote:
App Store, MP3 player,
Audio Highway - Listen Up. 1996. 5 years before the iPod.
Quote:
laptop,
Grid Compass. 1982
Quote:
and tablet computer were innovated, beautifully, by Apple.
Microsoft Tablet PC pre-dates the Ipad by 9 years.
Quote:
It was Apple that got these things to where they are today. If it was not for Apple's innovation, the entire tech market would not be anywhere close to where it is today.
The vast majority of laptops run Windows, just like the vast majority of PC's run Windows. Apple has in no way steered the course of the laptop PC. Though what you've written is an interesting opinion piece, everything you've claimed that Apple has "pioneered" has been done before Apple did it. And much of it successfully.
Apple makes the most popular MP3 player. But they were not the first to market one.
Apple makes the most popular touch-screen phone. But they were not the first to market one.
Apple makes the most popular tablet. But they were not the first to market one.
Catch the theme? Apple has managed to take certain (pre-existing) ideas, tweak them, market them VERY well and turn them into grand slams. That doesn't make them innovative, that makes them smart. Innovative implies that they are doing something that nobody else does. A pioneer. What is innovative about the MacBook Pro? It's a Foxconn motherboard with an Intel CPU, in a nice case with a pretty screen running a proprietary OS. Its predecessor was even less striking from its competitors, wrapped in unremarkable white plastic. And its predecessor even less so, looking very similar to the DELL and Toshiba laptops of its day.....
Quote:
What if some of these suits are fair.
Apple has a patent. If HTC is putting out a phone with similar tech that Apple has a patent to, is it not ok for Apple to explore legal action?
As a share holder, I feel it is there job to protect my best interest.
Apple answers to it's stock holders. And we have NOTHING to complain about!
Because Apple is patenting things just to stifle competition. That's what has people's noses out of joint. And they are using these patents to strong-arm their competitors into producing lesser products in an attempt to make them not as competitive.
It would be like RIM patenting the freakin' smartphone keyboard and then suing everybody else who put a keyboard on their phone. It is like Michelin patenting the shape of a tire and then suing Goodyear, Firestone...etc for patent infringement.
Red is me:
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: rg200amp
The "window" based OS, computer mouse
Xerox. The Alto and the Star, 1981, mouse and all.
Apple took that "invention", "innovated" it greatly (xerox mouse only moved up and down, left and right. It could not move freely about the screen) and brought it to the main stream market.
Quote:
touch screen smart phone,
The IBM Simon. 1992. Sold through BellSouth starting in 1993. Pre-dates the iPhone by oh, about 15 years.
Apple took that "invention" and "innovated" it greatly and brought it to the main stream market where is blew up in popularity.
Quote:
App Store, MP3 player,
Audio Highway - Listen Up. 1996. 5 years before the iPod.
Apple took "invention" and "innovated" it and brought it to the main stream. Forever changing the music industry.
Quote:
laptop,
Grid Compass. 1982
Again, "innovated". The Powerbook from 1989 was the fist "laptop" to offer palm rests for the keyboard and the UI (track ball in this case) to be placed neatly in between the two palm rests (now the standard (short of trackball, but Apple started the trackpad also) on every laptop sold today)
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and tablet computer were innovated, beautifully, by Apple.
Microsoft Tablet PC pre-dates the Ipad by 9 years.
Hmmm. . . It seems to me Apple "innovated" the concept and has since then not only domintated the market, but set in motion the very market that we see ourselves in now.
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It was Apple that got these things to where they are today. If it was not for Apple's innovation, the entire tech market would not be anywhere close to where it is today.
The vast majority of laptops run Windows, just like the vast majority of PC's run Windows. Apple has in no way steered the course of the laptop PC. Though what you've written is an interesting opinion piece, everything you've claimed that Apple has "pioneered" has been done before Apple did it. And much of it successfully.
Much of the "invention" was done by others. Apple, being like I stated, a top "innovator", has shaped nearly every corner of the tech world with there work. These laptops of today you talk about all use trackpads. Thanks to Apple. Laptop with Stereo Speakers? Apple was the first. They Innovate technology.
Apple makes the most popular MP3 player. But they were not the first to market one.
Never said they were first. They are the best. Why? Because they innovate.
Apple makes the most popular touch-screen phone. But they were not the first to market one.
Apple makes the most popular tablet. But they were not the first to market one.
Catch the theme? Apple has managed to take certain (pre-existing) ideas, tweak them, market them VERY well and turn them into grand slams. That doesn't make them innovative, that makes them smart. Innovate implies that they are doing something that nobody else does. A pioneer. What is innovative about the MacBook Pro? It's a Foxconn motherboard with an Intel CPU, in a nice case with a pretty screen running a proprietary OS. Its predecessor was even less striking from its competitors, wrapped in unremarkable white plastic. And its predecessor even less so, looking very similar to the DELL and Toshiba laptops of its day.....
Quote:
What if some of these suits are fair.
Apple has a patent. If HTC is putting out a phone with similar tech that Apple has a patent to, is it not ok for Apple to explore legal action?
As a share holder, I feel it is there job to protect my best interest.
Apple answers to it's stock holders. And we have NOTHING to complain about!
Because Apple is patenting things just to stifle competition. That's what has people's noses out of joint. And they are using these patents to strong-arm their competitors into producing lesser products in an attempt to make them not as competitive.
They are ALL DOING IT. Samsung is sueing the heck out of Apple all over the world. They are all playing the game. The game is make it harder for my competitor.
These are billion dollar companies, not kids on a play ground. There is no need for a lunch lady to make sure everybody plays nice. The companies play there cards to benefit them. Apple has been on the verge of shutting it's doors for good. They know both ends of the totem pole.
It would be like RIM patenting the freakin' smartphone keyboard and then suing everybody else who put a keyboard on their phone. It is like Michelin patenting the shape of a tire and then suing Goodyear, Firestone...etc for patent infringement.
Apple is not some clean and moral company. Nor is Microsoft, or GM, or "name any multi billion dollar company".
They exist for one AND only one reason. That is to make money. This is no big secret.
(not targeting anyone with this)
People just love to blindly hate on the big bad guy. Apple uses cheap chinese labor!!! Shame on them. Let me type about how I hate Apple for there labor practices on my nice samsung or asus laptop. Which is made by the very same Foxxcon and/or Pegatron chinese company that Apple uses.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: rg200amp
The "window" based OS, computer mouse
Xerox. The Alto and the Star, 1981, mouse and all.
Apple took that "invention", "innovated" it greatly (xerox mouse only moved up and down, left and right. It could not move freely about the screen) and brought it to the main stream market.
Quote:
touch screen smart phone,
The IBM Simon. 1992. Sold through BellSouth starting in 1993. Pre-dates the iPhone by oh, about 15 years.
Apple took that "invention" and "innovated" it greatly and brought it to the main stream market where is blew up in popularity.
Quote:
App Store, MP3 player,
Audio Highway - Listen Up. 1996. 5 years before the iPod.
Apple took "invention" and "innovated" it and brought it to the main stream. Forever changing the music industry.
Quote:
laptop,
Grid Compass. 1982
Again, "innovated". The Powerbook from 1989 was the fist "laptop" to offer palm rests for the keyboard and the UI (track ball in this case) to be placed neatly in between the two palm rests (now the standard (short of trackball, but Apple started the trackpad also) on every laptop sold today)
Quote:
and tablet computer were innovated, beautifully, by Apple.
Microsoft Tablet PC pre-dates the Ipad by 9 years.
Hmmm. . . It seems to me Apple "innovated" the concept and has since then not only domintated the market, but set in motion the very market that we see ourselves in now.
Quote:
It was Apple that got these things to where they are today. If it was not for Apple's innovation, the entire tech market would not be anywhere close to where it is today.
The vast majority of laptops run Windows, just like the vast majority of PC's run Windows. Apple has in no way steered the course of the laptop PC. Though what you've written is an interesting opinion piece, everything you've claimed that Apple has "pioneered" has been done before Apple did it. And much of it successfully.
Much of the "invention" was done by others. Apple, being like I stated, a top "innovator", has shaped nearly every corner of the tech world with there work. These laptops of today you talk about all use trackpads. Thanks to Apple. Laptop with Stereo Speakers? Apple was the first. They Innovate technology.
Apple makes the most popular MP3 player. But they were not the first to market one.
Never said they were first. They are the best. Why? Because they innovate.
Apple makes the most popular touch-screen phone. But they were not the first to market one.
Apple makes the most popular tablet. But they were not the first to market one.
Catch the theme? Apple has managed to take certain (pre-existing) ideas, tweak them, market them VERY well and turn them into grand slams. That doesn't make them innovative, that makes them smart. Innovate implies that they are doing something that nobody else does. A pioneer. What is innovative about the MacBook Pro? It's a Foxconn motherboard with an Intel CPU, in a nice case with a pretty screen running a proprietary OS. Its predecessor was even less striking from its competitors, wrapped in unremarkable white plastic. And its predecessor even less so, looking very similar to the DELL and Toshiba laptops of its day.....
Quote:
What if some of these suits are fair.
Apple has a patent. If HTC is putting out a phone with similar tech that Apple has a patent to, is it not ok for Apple to explore legal action?
As a share holder, I feel it is there job to protect my best interest.
Apple answers to it's stock holders. And we have NOTHING to complain about!
Because Apple is patenting things just to stifle competition. That's what has people's noses out of joint. And they are using these patents to strong-arm their competitors into producing lesser products in an attempt to make them not as competitive.
They are ALL DOING IT. Samsung is sueing the heck out of Apple all over the world. They are all playing the game. The game is make it harder for my competitor.
These are billion dollar companies, not kids on a play ground. There is no need for a lunch lady to make sure everybody plays nice. The companies play there cards to benefit them. Apple has been on the verge of shutting it's doors for good. They know both ends of the totem pole.
It would be like RIM patenting the freakin' smartphone keyboard and then suing everybody else who put a keyboard on their phone. It is like Michelin patenting the shape of a tire and then suing Goodyear, Firestone...etc for patent infringement.
Apple is not some clean and moral company. Nor is Microsoft, or GM, or "name any multi billion dollar company".
They exist for one AND only one reason. That is to make money. This is no big secret.
(not targeting anyone with this)
People just love to blindly hate on the big bad guy. Apple uses cheap chinese labor!!! Shame on them. Let me type about how I hate Apple for there labor practices on my nice samsung or asus laptop. Which is made by the very same Foxxcon and/or Pegatron chinese company that Apple uses.
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Originally Posted By: rg200amp
Apple was the first to offer a mouse in a commercial computer. After seeing a expensive, top of the line, prototype at Xerox. Apple "Innovated" the design, made it tens times better and more cost effective to make. Thus paving the way for the mouse of today.
No, Xerox offered it in with the Star. Which was the first commercially available GUI-equipped computer system. And it also had a 2-button mouse.
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Before that users had to type command prompts. Computer "nerds" of the time hated the mouse and thought typing command prompts was the best and the mouse "dumbed" the computer down.
Thank Apple for bringing the mouse to market.
The above (using command prompts) includes Apple. Did you forget the IIe? Xerox brought the GUI and mouse to market. It was Steve Job's idea to make them AFFORDABLE. The Lisa was around $6,000 less than the Star. But that still wasn't "affordable". Then the MacIntosh came about, which, being ~$2,500 was considered "affordable" for the middle class.
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As for Microsoft:
Apple got the graphical user interface concepts along with the mouse concepts from Xerox. A company that had a rough, yet fantastic concept computer, but they did not know it would change the world. Steve Jobs DID. He got the mouse and graphical user interface ideas from Xerox for a song and a dance. Apple spent the time and money on "Innovating" the concepts into "tech"world changing things.
Steve was inspired by and his team received demo's from Xerox on the Alto, yes. However, Xerox had their own project going on with the Star at this time as well. And the Star was not a rough concept computer. Not at all.
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It was while Bill Gates and his company Microsoft, at the time a SOFTWARE company (and still is), was working on writing software for Apple's "new and never before seen in the commercial/consumer market" graphical user interface that had a easy to use mouse, that he got the "idea" to make "Windows".
Chase Bishop (not Bill Gates) came out with "Interface Manager" (which looked a heck of a lot like the GUI the Lisa had) in 1981. And the interface was certainly not new and never before seen, since the Star was already out there.
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Bill Gates made Windows, an obvious copy from Apple's OS, and it blew up in the 90's. Not because it was "better". But because of a few key things. Microsoft was and is a software company. After Bill started Windows, he basically told Apple to go pound sand. He stopped writing software for Apple. IBM, a company that did not like Apple moving in on there turf, put out "cheaper priced" PC's with Windows OS. Then Follwed HP, Dell, ect. . . . and that was that as they say.
As stated. Apple is one of the (and if you go by profit, is THE) best innovators around.
Windows took off because it could run on generic IBM-compatible hardware which was less expensive.
Microsoft began producing Mac Office in 1989. And they still continue to make software for Apple.
Apple was the first to offer a mouse in a commercial computer. After seeing a expensive, top of the line, prototype at Xerox. Apple "Innovated" the design, made it tens times better and more cost effective to make. Thus paving the way for the mouse of today.
No, Xerox offered it in with the Star. Which was the first commercially available GUI-equipped computer system. And it also had a 2-button mouse.
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Before that users had to type command prompts. Computer "nerds" of the time hated the mouse and thought typing command prompts was the best and the mouse "dumbed" the computer down.
Thank Apple for bringing the mouse to market.
The above (using command prompts) includes Apple. Did you forget the IIe? Xerox brought the GUI and mouse to market. It was Steve Job's idea to make them AFFORDABLE. The Lisa was around $6,000 less than the Star. But that still wasn't "affordable". Then the MacIntosh came about, which, being ~$2,500 was considered "affordable" for the middle class.
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As for Microsoft:
Apple got the graphical user interface concepts along with the mouse concepts from Xerox. A company that had a rough, yet fantastic concept computer, but they did not know it would change the world. Steve Jobs DID. He got the mouse and graphical user interface ideas from Xerox for a song and a dance. Apple spent the time and money on "Innovating" the concepts into "tech"world changing things.
Steve was inspired by and his team received demo's from Xerox on the Alto, yes. However, Xerox had their own project going on with the Star at this time as well. And the Star was not a rough concept computer. Not at all.
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It was while Bill Gates and his company Microsoft, at the time a SOFTWARE company (and still is), was working on writing software for Apple's "new and never before seen in the commercial/consumer market" graphical user interface that had a easy to use mouse, that he got the "idea" to make "Windows".
Chase Bishop (not Bill Gates) came out with "Interface Manager" (which looked a heck of a lot like the GUI the Lisa had) in 1981. And the interface was certainly not new and never before seen, since the Star was already out there.
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Bill Gates made Windows, an obvious copy from Apple's OS, and it blew up in the 90's. Not because it was "better". But because of a few key things. Microsoft was and is a software company. After Bill started Windows, he basically told Apple to go pound sand. He stopped writing software for Apple. IBM, a company that did not like Apple moving in on there turf, put out "cheaper priced" PC's with Windows OS. Then Follwed HP, Dell, ect. . . . and that was that as they say.
As stated. Apple is one of the (and if you go by profit, is THE) best innovators around.
Windows took off because it could run on generic IBM-compatible hardware which was less expensive.
Microsoft began producing Mac Office in 1989. And they still continue to make software for Apple.
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Apple took that "invention", "innovated" it greatly (xerox mouse only moved up and down, left and right. It could not move freely about the screen) and brought it to the main stream market.
It was already in the mainstream market with the star. Apple (Steve Jobs) made it affordable with the MacIntosh.
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Apple took that "invention" and "innovated" it greatly and brought it to the main stream market where is blew up in popularity.
There were many touch devices already in the market that were very successful. Palm for example was arguably more innovative in this realm than Apple. Apple's innovation here would be the simplistic-style GUI and the concept of "apps". And it was these two characteristics that led to the success of the device.
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Apple took "invention" and "innovated" it and brought it to the main stream. Forever changing the music industry.
Creative was there first. But Apple was simply better at marketing their product and beat them out.
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Again, "innovated". The Powerbook from 1989 was the fist "laptop" to offer palm rests for the keyboard and the UI (track ball in this case) to be placed neatly in between the two palm rests (now the standard (short of trackball, but Apple started the trackpad also) on every laptop sold today)
Trackpad first appeared on the Gavilan SC in 1983. The Powerbook came out in '91, it was the portable that came out in '89. Yes, the Powerbook was the first laptop to have a palm rest.
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Hmmm. . . It seems to me Apple "innovated" the concept and has since then not only domintated the market, but set in motion the very market that we see ourselves in now.
Apple successfully marketed the tablet concept far better than Microsoft did. I don't necessarily think it was that innovative however, since it used iOS, borrowed from the iPhone and iPod, and just put it on a larger device.
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Much of the "invention" was done by others. Apple, being like I stated, a top "innovator", has shaped nearly every corner of the tech world with there work. These laptops of today you talk about all use trackpads. Thanks to Apple. Laptop with Stereo Speakers? Apple was the first. They Innovate technology.
Many (most?) laptops used, for the longest time, the IBM-style pointing stick. Lenovo carries on with it. Since Apple never stopped using the trackpad, I don't think they are the ones responsible for bringing it back in vogue. Though I'm not sure who is. Perhaps Compaq?
Regardless, the first commonly available trackpad was Cirque's Glidepoint. And this is what Apple used for the Powerbook.
I'll give you the palm rest and stereo sound as their innovations.
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Never said they were first. They are the best. Why? Because they innovate.
Because they managed to market their product better than Creative labs did, and had a better software solution (iTunes).
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These are billion dollar companies, not kids on a play ground. There is no need for a lunch lady to make sure everybody plays nice. The companies play there cards to benefit them. Apple has been on the verge of shutting it's doors for good. They know both ends of the totem pole.
There is a lunch lady, that's why this is a lawsuit with a judge involved. Just like when Microsoft got slammed with Anti-Trust, because somebody felt they weren't playing nice.
You are wrong here.
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Apple is not some clean and moral company. Nor is Microsoft, or GM, or "name any multi billion dollar company".
They exist for one AND only one reason. That is to make money. This is no big secret.
Quite right. And that's why they'll sell out their own countrymen if moving that production to China makes them more money. We understand each other here. That doesn't however make these patents and their lawsuits any less ridiculous.
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(not targeting anyone with this)
People just love to blindly hate on the big bad guy. Apple uses cheap chinese labor!!! Shame on them. Let me type about how I hate Apple for there labor practices on my nice samsung or asus laptop. Which is made by the very same Foxxcon and/or Pegatron chinese company that Apple uses.
ASUS has their own facilities, but I certainly see your point here. I'm not "hating" on Apple. I'm saying what they are doing is ridiculous. And if they get away with doing this, then I guess that's our problem as consumers for not doing anything about it, because as you've said, they are motivated by profit and will do what they can get away with.
Apple took that "invention", "innovated" it greatly (xerox mouse only moved up and down, left and right. It could not move freely about the screen) and brought it to the main stream market.
It was already in the mainstream market with the star. Apple (Steve Jobs) made it affordable with the MacIntosh.
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Apple took that "invention" and "innovated" it greatly and brought it to the main stream market where is blew up in popularity.
There were many touch devices already in the market that were very successful. Palm for example was arguably more innovative in this realm than Apple. Apple's innovation here would be the simplistic-style GUI and the concept of "apps". And it was these two characteristics that led to the success of the device.
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Apple took "invention" and "innovated" it and brought it to the main stream. Forever changing the music industry.
Creative was there first. But Apple was simply better at marketing their product and beat them out.
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Again, "innovated". The Powerbook from 1989 was the fist "laptop" to offer palm rests for the keyboard and the UI (track ball in this case) to be placed neatly in between the two palm rests (now the standard (short of trackball, but Apple started the trackpad also) on every laptop sold today)
Trackpad first appeared on the Gavilan SC in 1983. The Powerbook came out in '91, it was the portable that came out in '89. Yes, the Powerbook was the first laptop to have a palm rest.
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Hmmm. . . It seems to me Apple "innovated" the concept and has since then not only domintated the market, but set in motion the very market that we see ourselves in now.
Apple successfully marketed the tablet concept far better than Microsoft did. I don't necessarily think it was that innovative however, since it used iOS, borrowed from the iPhone and iPod, and just put it on a larger device.
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Much of the "invention" was done by others. Apple, being like I stated, a top "innovator", has shaped nearly every corner of the tech world with there work. These laptops of today you talk about all use trackpads. Thanks to Apple. Laptop with Stereo Speakers? Apple was the first. They Innovate technology.
Many (most?) laptops used, for the longest time, the IBM-style pointing stick. Lenovo carries on with it. Since Apple never stopped using the trackpad, I don't think they are the ones responsible for bringing it back in vogue. Though I'm not sure who is. Perhaps Compaq?
Regardless, the first commonly available trackpad was Cirque's Glidepoint. And this is what Apple used for the Powerbook.
I'll give you the palm rest and stereo sound as their innovations.
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Never said they were first. They are the best. Why? Because they innovate.
Because they managed to market their product better than Creative labs did, and had a better software solution (iTunes).
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These are billion dollar companies, not kids on a play ground. There is no need for a lunch lady to make sure everybody plays nice. The companies play there cards to benefit them. Apple has been on the verge of shutting it's doors for good. They know both ends of the totem pole.
There is a lunch lady, that's why this is a lawsuit with a judge involved. Just like when Microsoft got slammed with Anti-Trust, because somebody felt they weren't playing nice.
You are wrong here.
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Apple is not some clean and moral company. Nor is Microsoft, or GM, or "name any multi billion dollar company".
They exist for one AND only one reason. That is to make money. This is no big secret.
Quite right. And that's why they'll sell out their own countrymen if moving that production to China makes them more money. We understand each other here. That doesn't however make these patents and their lawsuits any less ridiculous.
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(not targeting anyone with this)
People just love to blindly hate on the big bad guy. Apple uses cheap chinese labor!!! Shame on them. Let me type about how I hate Apple for there labor practices on my nice samsung or asus laptop. Which is made by the very same Foxxcon and/or Pegatron chinese company that Apple uses.
ASUS has their own facilities, but I certainly see your point here. I'm not "hating" on Apple. I'm saying what they are doing is ridiculous. And if they get away with doing this, then I guess that's our problem as consumers for not doing anything about it, because as you've said, they are motivated by profit and will do what they can get away with.
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