Anyone ever refuse dealer shop supply charges?

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Not to mention the parts have a 100% markup. you can get the same exact OEM part via wholesale on line (usually from another stealership selling wholesale on line) ( dealers do not even stock many items in inventory anymore). need a pert, call the distribution center and get it next day.

tired of hearing the same stories about how expensive their operation are, every businees has similar costs. the key in a market economy, just do not go there.
 
Originally Posted By: tom slick
If the dealer didn't itemize and charged $85/hr instead of $75/labor + $10/hr supplies would it make you feel better?


Exactly. You're going to pay for the shop's expenses if they are specifically spelled out or not.

Joel
 
Remember going in for a brake job last year. Parts, shop supplies, 2.2 hours labor. I questioned the 2.2 since I'd had it done several years before and was charged 2.0 at that time (I checked my old bill beforehand).

"Oh, the book says it's 2.2 hours for this car."

Then why was it 2.0 last time?

"I dunno, let me double check here."

Mechanic wanders by while he's looking through the book.

Service guy: "Hey do you know why we charged 2.2 hours for this job?"

Mechanic: "Oh, that's what I decided to put down. It's not listed in the book."

A brake job isn't listed in the book? Bee-ess detector starts going off. Service guy flips through the book for a while and declares that indeed it isn't listed. I consider asking for the book and looking myself but not sure what his reaction would be.

"Tell you what, we'll knock $20 off the shop supplies, that'll be the same as marking it down to 2.0 hours."

Sure, what the heck.

So I think shop supply fees are there for service writers to remove to give grumpy customers the impression they're less screwed than they were before.
 
I complained about a supply charge before at the Acura dealership. They took it upon themselves to change my valve cover gasket without my knowledge during the timing belt/water pump service and I told them to credit me, because I just replaced it myself a month prior (which was true). They gave me my money back for the part.
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After you buy the part "wholesale" and pay shipping charges how much have you saved? What if the part is damaged in shipping or just plain wrong? You ship it back at your expense and wait what, 3 more days to get it again?

GM Goodwrench engines/transmissions (I believe) have double the mileage warranty if the dealer installs them.

I believe these days you have to save money when you can. But my time as a consumer is worth something as well.
 
Originally Posted By: MrCritical
After you buy the part "wholesale" and pay shipping charges how much have you saved? What if the part is damaged in shipping or just plain wrong? You ship it back at your expense and wait what, 3 more days to get it again?



If a GM part is over $100 I can get it delivered to my front porch for about 60% of what the dealership charges at the counter. For about $30 parts I break even on cost but don't have to make two 25 mile round trips to the dealer so save on my time and 50 miles driving.

I don't have any experience with getting the wrong part. Without the dealership's counter monkey involved in the process, I have eliminated the biggest source of errors.
 
The "counter monkey" has a ton more experience and training getting the right part than the minimum wage jockeys pulling parts at your online wholesale dealer.

In fact they often save customers money and time by giving the customer the right part, even when the customer asks for the wrong part.

At least, that's my experience with our "monkeys". Sounds like they'll let anyone with a pulse behind the counter in Cali.
 
in CA you cannot have a blanket "shop supplies" charge. everything must be itemized, ie 2 cans of brake clean, etc. we dont charge for supplies at my work, just have our $110 hr rate.
 
What would you think if at the supermarket checkout they wanted you to pay a box-breakdown fee, or if your accountant wanted you to pay an office supplies fee, or if your mortgage company charged you a monthly statement-mailing fee?

The only thing like it I can think of is fuel surcharges that transport related businesses sometime charge, but considering the rather exceptional cost of fuel these days that seems a lot more reasonable.
 
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
If my guy wants me to pay for 2 cans of brake cleaner or a degreaser, why should I refuse?


I just have no reason to believe they use even half of the supplies that they charge for to do work on my car. A mechanic could take the engine out and tear it down without using a whole bottle of hand cleaner or batch of rags, much less when changing a maf sensor ect. Its a bogus excuse to rake extra money out of your wallet that just isnt logically justified which to me is disrespectfully taking advantage of their customers.

If they would include a realistic slight charge increase in the labor if they absolutely had to which I dont believe they would because I do believe their high labor charges are more than enough to get the job done with whatever supplies they need, then it would still come out cheaper than their separate supply charges and they wouldnt be blatantly insulting the customers. This along with truly helping customers by not selling them parts or service they dont need would be better for both parties since people would go to dealers more if they knew they were going to be treated right because I truly believe the dealers would make the same profit or more.
 
Originally Posted By: leftlane
In the past Ive seen some people say they refuse to pay for the rags, hand cleaner ect. expenses, and that those are actually negotiable charges. Anyone here refuse to pay them, and if so do the dealers usually readily accept your refusal without any attitude or do you usually have to get hostile to get them to cancel the charges?


Couple years or so ago, went to a Midas for a cheapie, as advertised brake job. Wasn't in the mood to do it myself. Gal behind the counter soon advised me that the mechanic recommended that additional work needed to be done at additional cost.

Since I had already inspected the brakes before going in, I politely declined the mechanics recommendations, stating that if he would show me why he recommended it, I would consider it.

She stated that insurance regulations prohibited customers from going into the work area. So I steadfastly declined.

When I was later given the total charges, it was noticeably above their advertised price. even allowing for sales tax. I asked for a breakdown of the charges. Yep, a hefty fee was added for "shop charges".

Again, I respectfully declined. She informed me that they charge that on all services as a matter of policy to help defray incidental expenses.

I asked where thay had posted their policy so customers could know in advance they were being charged for things in addition to the advertised prices for the work performed.

She said they didn't. So I said I wasn't paying for it. She said the bill had already been rung-up and approved (credit card). I said I wouldn't sign it, cancel the charges, correct the billing, or get the manager. She said she was the manager. I asked if she wanted to be paid for the work or not.

She did. I signed the corrected bill. She thought I was an a$$. I thought much the same of their sneaky "policy".

Had it been posted in a conspicuous place at the service counter, I would have paid it.
 
All our estimates are "out the door" estimates, including taxes.

Every dealer, independent, quick lube, Sears, or whatever in our aarea charges shop supplies. It's kind of like cable television. I don't watch the Western Channel, but I pay for it, 'cause it's bundled with what I do watch.

Kinda' like the same thing with flat rate labor. If the tech can beat the clock, people expect to be charged for his actual time. If the job takes longer than the flat rate, they expect the tech to eat it.

Somewhere, and sometime in America, it became politically incorrect to make a profit. If auto prices had gone up like milk and gasoline, you'd be paying $50,000 for a Cobalt.
 
I hear you. Im pro profit also.
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Im just anti rip off. For the record I dont believe the bundled satellite channels are right either and if there was a way to not pay for all the bullstool channels I'd do it.

Will it make me miserable to pay supply charges like I pay for satellite channels I dont want, no because thankfully I have the money to afford it. I was just curious about people's experiences here with not paying them.
 
It's all part of the cost of doing business. The itemized bill is just a way of window dressing things. For the independent, it kinda shows where the costs come from, "It's not me man! Not me! It's the parts guy!" ..but it still comes down to a net out of the job. Most items are really a "fudge factor". All the indy's here mostly use NAPA. Very expensive and they all have accounts. Now they mark up the parts a healthy amount for "handling" ..and they're buffering into the concept that they carrying the tab for 30 days ...except that they aren't giving the customer 30 days to pay for the parts ..hence ..another consumer funded escalation in price. They don't even see it that way. They say "I've got to pay a $30k parts bill every month!!" ..but forget that they're charging 150% of that cost at the point of sale that they've had for the whole 30 days. That is, they've been working with a good bit of consumer/customer money for that 30 days, and rationalize charging them a premium for the privilege.

Credit is the reason most of these conditions exist.

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but paying $80 in shop supplies for a spark plug job at the dealer ould make me flip out when they used $5 worth of anti-seize.


It would be more like $0.10 worth of anti-seize. But what you get in rationalization isn't JUST the cost of the shop supply. It's the purchasing (someone has to buy it) ..the handling (someone has to receive it and hand it to the guy who uses it) ..the storage (gotta charge for the shelf real estate) ..and the accounting (the inventory guy has to count it).

..and all those things have to get a multiplier for the guy who's trying to figure out new items to put on the bill
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Wow, those prices are high. Last time I paid shop charges, I think it was like $10.

And I don't mind paying these charges, if they are legitimate and I know about them in advance. If they have to use up some kind of resource to do my particular job, fine. I'd rather pay for my share of anti-seize and sealers and know that the guys are using it properly.

(Although my plumber charges every job $5 for "gloves". He uses a new set of those $0.75 brown jersey gloves. Thanks.)

In my business, we mark up parts a lot too. That's because we aren't in the parts business, we are in the service business. It costs us real money to maintain stock and/or get the part shipped. And it costs to employ our parts and purchasing people and maintain the stockroom space. If the customer wants to provide their own parts, fine. But that costs THEM time and money- we can get them a part same or next day. How long will it take them to get the right part on their own? If they want to do it, fine with us.

But, just for example, maintaining our workshop areas and training and software are overhead costs on the service side of the equation- that comes out of the overhead for our service pricing.

I think what annoys us about this example is that when we see an invoice that says:

Parts: $200
Labor: $150

It makes sense to us- hey it takes time and money to run a shop. But if we see:

Parts: $150
Parts delivery charge $50
Labor: $140
Shop Charge $10

It's the same price, but it makes us mad because it's harder to imagine where the overhead is, since they already broke out the obvious overhead into a different line.
 
Cellphone companies also like adding moronic fees. Apparantly the real estate taxes that THEY pay on their towers get cut down and added to peoples' bills. I gave up and went with a prepaid plan that's more $ per minute but there are no stupid fees on top of that.

I paid "shop supplies" on 1/2 hour of work, that was really 2 minutes clearing an airbag trouble code on the computer. And those supplies were not quoted to me over the phone when I asked for a price quote.
 
It's just another way to tack on extra profit. I'm betting they charge $10 for most customers for shop supplies, and all the supplies they used was a paper towel to wipe their hands. Sure sometimes there might be legitimate supplies used that might cost a few bucks, but I'm sure most jobs require very little to no shop supplies at all.

Akin to buying a new car with undercoating and paint protection and the dealer tacks on an extra $500 bucks.
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Shop supplies are very real expenses.
Should someone else pay for what is needed for your car?


I think the disagreement is that they should be part of the hourly labor charge, since all the other overhead in there.

Especially when a service is quoted at one price, and then the shop supplies charge is added on top of that. Doesn't matter what the reason for the extra charge is, if they advertise one price and charge another, it's wrong.

And that the charge is often far more than what supplies might actually get used.
 
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