Anyone doing P90x or Insanity?

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I was more or less an elite level athlete in past times. Hard double sessions regularly was no big deal.

The last few years, work has taken up all my time, which is a good thing, though it has taken it's toll on my fitness. So I need to get back.

Besides mountain biking, I haven't been really active for a while. I'm thinking of doing p90x or insanity to get moving again.

P90x is more holistic, which I like, but needs props. Insanity is more cardio based, but also lots of plyometrics and need no props, which is good.

So, anyone do either? What did you like or dislike? I certainly know that you get out what you put into it, and diet will be key. That won't be fun because I like to eat, and I eat like I did when I was rowing, only I'm less active. My muscle mass has kept me thin enough, but I want to be back to my usual size, 48L up top, 34 waist pants. Pretty good at the beach in that size.

Recommendations?
 
IIRC, what makes P90x work is the 1600 cal diet that cuts fat and the workout tones you. I have a friend who kept starting and stopping it for the last couple years and IMO he didn't change much (kind of skinny fat) until he ate better (he didn't know a can of coke had 40 g of sugar and he downed a lot of them lol). Now he just looks skinny. But from what I heard, if you want to build muscle while doing it, you have to do the workouts with weights and not just body weight.

IMO, strength training with some cardio and a decent diet will do more for you, but I'm new to this working out thing (I've been fat my whole life) so take it with a grain of salt. And if your goal is to lose a few pounds, consider a thermogenic. The good ones really curb your appetite.

A friend sent me this workout routine and it seems good for starting out if you're interested (probably can skip the first 14 or so pages of week 1 if it bores you).
 
Thanks, I'll have a look. I'm good with the weight routines, and know how to get VERY strong. It's mainly the routine for shedding weight which I'd like to accelerate if I can. Diet is a big part, but having interesting exercise routines help too.
 
I recently have been doing cardio style weight training, using a bit less weight and going for more reps and not waiting in between sets. After 2 months, I've dropped 2 pant sizes and I'm in the best shape I've been in 10 years. It's the best of both worlds between weight training and full cardio. Easily lost 10 pounds and I'm eating more.

Sorry, know info about the 2 programs you mentioned. I've come to the conclusion that, at least for me, trying to stick to any rigid program of diet and exercise doesn't work. I just keep at it the best I can. Some weeks I only feel like I can do 2 routines; others I can do 4.
 
Ti works. My friend did it and he lost tons of weight and gained muscle. Unfortunately, majority of the people drop out after the 1st week. Only the few survive.
 
My brother is doing the paleolithic diet combined with the P90X, says he has never felt better.

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I was more or less an elite level athlete in past times.
What sport were you into?
 
Originally Posted By: TurboLuver
My brother is doing the paleolithic diet combined with the P90X, says he has never felt better.

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I was more or less an elite level athlete in past times.
What sport were you into?


Ive heard good things about the paleo diet, but then again, for all the claims of how great it is in the short term, I doubt that paleolithic period people lived past 40. So I take it with a grain of salt for the long-term, instead avoiding processed and sugar/carby stuff for a well balanced, nutritious diet.

I was a rower, and it gave me the huge appetite that I still have today, though Im not working out as much - which is the problem...
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
avoiding processed and sugar/carby stuff for a well balanced, nutritious diet.

I think that's the ticket.

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I was a rower

Cool!
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I was more or less an elite level athlete in past times. Hard double sessions regularly was no big deal.

The last few years, work has taken up all my time, which is a good thing, though it has taken it's toll on my fitness. So I need to get back.

Besides mountain biking, I haven't been really active for a while. I'm thinking of doing p90x or insanity to get moving again.

P90x is more holistic, which I like, but needs props. Insanity is more cardio based, but also lots of plyometrics and need no props, which is good.

So, anyone do either? What did you like or dislike? I certainly know that you get out what you put into it, and diet will be key. That won't be fun because I like to eat, and I eat like I did when I was rowing, only I'm less active. My muscle mass has kept me thin enough, but I want to be back to my usual size, 48L up top, 34 waist pants. Pretty good at the beach in that size.

Recommendations?



As an almost "elite athlete" you should know what to do.

Squat, Deads, shoulder/bench presses, push, pulls while watching your diet.

Throw in some intervals on your off days for extra success.

Stay strong while cutting.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Recommendations?


I recommend you forget about dancing around in front of a television and following a diet which, if you actually lose the weight, you won't follow for long.

You've already started yo-yoing your weight, and by your own account you're not disciplined enough to control your eating. The key is to improve your dietary lifestyle with foods that you can eat long term, and include exercise that you can maintain on a long term basis. The more your weight goes up and down the easier it is to gain and the more difficult it is to lose.

The fact that you allowed yourself to gain a large amount of weight tells me that, while you might have once been an "elite level athlete", your fitness isn't a priority. Otherwise you would have found the time to exercise and wouldn't practice poor eating habits. Anything less than a permanent dietary lifestyle change and a commitment to fitness will leave you even fatter in a few years.
 
Originally Posted By: dja4260

As an almost "elite athlete" you should know what to do.

Squat, Deads, shoulder/bench presses, push, pulls while watching your diet.

Throw in some intervals on your off days for extra success.

Stay strong while cutting.


Yeah, that's all good common sense standard stuff, but Im interested in some alternate exercise approaches for something different, thus the question about the insanity and p90x. Something different from what ive done for years would be nice. Seems lots of people have good things to say about programs like these, so why not give it a whirl?
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
your fitness isn't a priority


You're darn right. Working hard at advancing in career, getting my PhD while working full time, etc., etc. There are only so many hours in a day.

Ive spent years in the gym, my output made it easy (necessary) to eat a lot, that is my flaw. I recognize it, youre not telling me anything new there.

Diet mods is the easy part (maybe not mentally, but it takes zero time and minimal effort to eat less and eat different). It is trying a new exercise regimen that is most interesting to me, do something different/new, why not? P90X seems to integrate yoga, pilates, resistance work, etc. Ive done all these things before, why not have a new fresh approach? "Dancing" around a TV isnt a cure all, but if someone came up with a different system that applies a lot of good processes, why not?

You reading into things isnt going to help. You can get fat eating too much lean/healthy/balanced foods, I eat right, just too much because muy appetite hasnt ever changed. As I said, that is the easy part, Im more interested in alternate and new exercise approaches to make things a little different than the lifting/walking/running/swimming/biking that Ive typically done.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: dja4260

As an almost "elite athlete" you should know what to do.

Squat, Deads, shoulder/bench presses, push, pulls while watching your diet.

Throw in some intervals on your off days for extra success.

Stay strong while cutting.


Yeah, that's all good common sense standard stuff, but Im interested in some alternate exercise approaches for something different, thus the question about the insanity and p90x. Something different from what ive done for years would be nice. Seems lots of people have good things to say about programs like these, so why not give it a whirl?



Your stubborn, like my GF who's in the middle of P90x. She does enjoy the workouts and finds all of them very challenging. This morning she quit on the yoga saying that it was to challenging and she wasn't feeling it.

As someone with a degree in fitness, I can say that P90x isn't ground breaking, or "confuses muscles". It burns calories and when following their or any other healthy deficit diet, your going to see results. I have all the videos + needed paperwork on my computer if you would like to have them just let me know. Mail me a flash drive and I'll get it right back to you.

I would prefer some intervals such as jumping rope, rowing machine, sprints, burpies etc + lifting heavy. Lifting heavy is going to burn calories, build/maintain strength, and really stresses the CNS like none other.
 
Originally Posted By: dja4260


I would prefer some intervals such as jumping rope, rowing machine, sprints, burpies etc + lifting heavy. Lifting heavy is going to burn calories, build/maintain strength, and really stresses the CNS like none other.


Agreed. I love heavy lifting and being sore. One of my considerations of doing something like this is that Ive maintained most of my strength, so moving weights of a few hundred pounds with different muscle groups is no big deal. But Im not sure the small and connecting muscles are ready for that yet... Ive done weights on and off over the last ywo years and was suprised at my strength of the major groups, but got sore in the minor groups real easily. Want to prep right this time for the long haul. Im nearly done school and my schedule is getting better, so I need to get back on track. I figured a regimen like this would help diversify, strengthen/work all over, and get me ready to do what I used to.

Thanks for the offer on the info, Ill send a PM to set it up.
 
I have a few female colleagues who have done well with P90. Personally, I feel I know enough about my body and what works to make my own routines. YMMV. The important thing is you put the work in and, more importantly, your diet.

Mondays are tough since I do cardio and lifting that day. Tuesday-Friday I alternate between lifting and cardio (5 mi. on trails and beach with 700 ft. incline). 3 cardio and 3 lifting sessions per week.

I just started a more cardio-minded type of training on non-cardio days. Today my first set consists of 25 burpees into ez-curls into alternating dums and then 150 wall jumps with less than 5 sec. transitions between exercises. 30 sec. rest at the end and repeat for a total of 4 "sets". Then repeat switching in deadlifts and pull ups with the curls and alternating dums for 4 "sets". Sure, I cant lift as heavy but i dig the intensity. I am drenched in sweat by the end.

Takes me about 30 min. to complete. I too have limited time, so I choose higher intensity to make the most of my time.
 
Making routines is no problem. I have done a variety and have a few faves.

It is to have something different that helps create a base and prep to get back into other regimens.

I'm not training for any sport in particular, so this time around I want to be more varied in what I do.
 
I don't buy into that kind of stuff... I think it's just another twist on the timeless "diet fad", in all honesty. I was (for about 5 years; not as much anymore) in fantastic shape, especially when I was able to bike AND hit the gym on a regular schedule. For years, I was always tall and skinny, which made me a great runner, but knee problems from skiing (bad landing at a Big Air competition) has kept me from running since I had surgery about four years ago (entire interior meniscus was flayed open like a fish fillet, so they had to remove 70% of my entire meniscus in my right knee). Thus, biking + gym.

I spent a ton of time trying this and that, different protein powders, supplements, workout routines, etc., all because I was a "hard gainer", or so I was told. When I started, I was 6'2" and 170lbs, and after 4 months, I was only up to 174lbs. It was bugging the carp out of me! I was lifting (at the gym) 4x a week for 1.5hrs/session, and biking 25miles/day 3 days/week. No matter what I did, even cutting out the biking, I wasn't gaining weight or "feeling" like I was in better shape.

So, I decided "screw this, none of this stuff is doing ANYTHING for me, so I'll try my own way". After 4 more months, I was at 182lbs and down by 2% body-fat. After 18 months, I was 208lbs and 5.2%BF total.

The trick:
1) EAT EAT EAT! I was aiming for 2g/protein per lb/bodyweight; that meant about 6 eggs a day, four chicken breasts, three protein shakes, a couple high-protein/only-complex-carb energy bars, etc. I was taking in about 3500kcal per day, and I wasn't restricting myself like I had been before, when I was really only getting about 2200kcal/day.
2) VARY YOUR WEIGHT/REPS/ETC! One day, do maybe 60% of your total weight for all exercises, but double your reps. Next session, go 90% of your weight for normal reps; then, 75% for 1.5x reps; then, 100% and rep until failure. I found that, at least for me, by constantly changing my routine and the way I worked out, I was able to work out through recovery periods and still gain; and I ended up gaining both weight and strength while losing body fat.
3) CARDIO IS NOT BAD! Everyone would tell me "biking 25mi/day is stupid if you're trying to gain!", but for me it was my favorite part of the week, riding 25mi on a forested bike trail alongside a river (usually took between 1.25-1.75hr). Again, I would vary my intensity; one mile I would just pedal normal (about 12-14mph), and the next I would push at about 75% total capacity, then two miles at regular speed, then half mile at 75%, etc; I always did the last leg in a full-out sprint (going 110%), and gradually the distance at which I could start that "sprint", it increased! YOUR HEART IS A MUSCLE! DON'T IGNORE IT!

As far as eating... Just read the label! So many people ignore everything they put into their bodies! But it is all right there on whatever you're opening/unwrapping.
Everyone knows high-fructose corn syrup is bad: don't eat it! Soda/pop? NO. Peanut Butter? YES. Chicken? I hope you love it... Chicken and Fish are the best things you can eat when trying to get into shape.

I managed to stay at 205-210lbs and 4.9-5.4% body fat for about 5 years, at which point my knees couldn't take it anymore and I learned I had degenerative joint disease, and learned it via my L5-S1 facet joint deteriorating and failing (joint between 5th lumbar vertebrae and first sacral vertebrae), allowing a nerve bundle, including my sciatic nerve, to slip outside the spinal column (they got "pushed" between the vertebrae, essentially). Excruciating pain, and I couldn't walk without a cane for an entire year; eventually, a nerve ablation made the pain go away 95% of the way, but apparently these procedures only last for 2-4 years... and it's been 3.

Blah, sorry for rambling. My apologies.
 
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