Any difference between Wix and NAPA Gold?

Patman · Apr 14, 2003

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Originally posted by Jason Troxell:
40psi at redline seems low? I get 40psi before 2k rpm. At redline I have >65psi. I know motors are different but Ive never heard of that low. I thought there was a 10psi/1k rpm rule of thumb?

I was a bit scared my oil pressure was low too, until I found this thread here:

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68791

(I know I shouldn't be linking to other forums, but it's got too much info in there to copy it all here)

[ April 14, 2003, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Patman ]

jason07-1zzfe · Apr 14, 2003

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Originally posted by Patman:
But didn't the Ultraguard show considerably more restriction to flow in your testing compared to the K&N though?

Compared to the K&N yes. But I don't believe they are anywhere near the same level of efficiency. Compared to the regular AC the Ultra has the same flow. That is exemplary considering the level of efficiency improvement it is supposed to have.
Anybody can make a media flow well by opening it up and vice versa. The real accomplishment is achieving both. Which is really only possible to a small degree anyway. You can't have drastic improvements in flow AND efficiency, no matter what materials you use. You can get more efficiency with same flow like Ultraguard or more flow with same efficiency.
So yes I may have been premature on my judgement of K&N but I doubt it. I would have to see particle analysis efficiency testing on it to be sure. If it is indeed the same efficiency level as the regular AC but with more flow(we know that much to be true) then I guess you could call it more "advanced". But being that they are made of the same materials I'd be willing to bet the K&N is NOT as efficient as a AC Duraguard considering the level of flow increase it has.

seldont · Apr 14, 2003

I would like to see what some of the other Ford mod motor owners say here about oil pressure. My 5.4 (remote mounted filter) holds about 65 psi at any engine speed over 1300 rpm or so. When I first fire it up in the morning it goes straight to 85 psi. Does not seem to matter what filter I use so far. Been running 5w30 Motorcraft oil. (I was worried I did not have enough psi until I installed an aftermarket gauge)

MrBiglund · Feb 15, 2007

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According to the Dana representitive I've emailed a lot with in the past, these filters are all the same. If you get one with a black ADBV it is older stock that didn't get the red silicone ADBV yet.

But from what I'm told, all Wix, NAPA Gold and Carquest premium filters use the T3 glass enhanced media and silicone adbv.

This chart helps describe the difference between Dana's first line product and second line product:

www.geocities.com/gattsls1/wix.html

[ April 13, 2003, 05:26 AM: Message edited by: Patman ]

Ok, i just bought a couple of oil filters from carquest for my van, it turns out they were only $3.64 a piece wich is a great price for wix made filters, these are "carquest red" filters, i had asked them if they had the premium ones and they said these were the only ones they ever came across. These are identical to the "Kralinator" filter i bought at my last oil change which was around $5.00 at different parts store. The only difference is that the Kralinator had red ADBV and the "carquest red" have the black ADBV, now what i wanta know is that is the black ADBV is silicone or nitrile? And should i get em changed with the ones that have the red ADBV as i have yet to use the "carquest red" that i bought. I can take em back to the other carquest store in town and get em changed with the blue ones which should have the red ADBV as i called there and made sure of that.

Patman · Feb 15, 2007

The black adbv are the nitrile ones, so those filters are the standard Carquest ones, not the Carquest Premium. It's a different filter media too. That's why they were so cheap. The premiums will be at least 2-3 times the price of those ones.

MrBiglund · Feb 15, 2007

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The black adbv are the nitrile ones, so those filters are the standard Carquest ones, not the Carquest Premium. It's a different filter media too. That's why they were so cheap. The premiums will be at least 2-3 times the price of those ones.

Thanks Patman, i shall take em back tomorrow and get the real stuff.

MrBiglund · Feb 15, 2007

Well, i took the filters back but the guy at the counter said there's really no difference between the two filters and the media and construction should be identical except for the ADBV which he says could be the same stuff but different colour, he says that they actually sell more of the red filters than the blue. I tried comparing the two filters there and i also couldn't really tell the difference between the filters except for the ADBV being black on the red one and red on the blue one. The blue filter was around 7 dollars in price so, looking at the minimal differences i just decided to keep the red ones. I really don't think there's a difference between the two.

Pete C. · Feb 15, 2007

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I really don't think there's a difference between the two.

There are more differences than just the ADV. Media type and/or quantity, endcap thickness, can thickness etc. The Carquest Blue series are identical in every way to Wix filters except for the packaging and graphics.As are the NAPA Golds.

RF Overlord · Feb 16, 2007

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I would like to see what some of the other Ford mod motor owners say here about oil pressure.

My '03 4.6 DOHC will run right up to 100 lbs when first started cold; warm idle is about 25 lbs; warm cruising at 40-60 mph will be around 50-70 lbs. This is with Mobil 1 5w30 and a Motorcraft FL-820S.

RF Overlord · Feb 16, 2007

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The Carquest Blue series are identical in every way to Wix filters except for the packaging and graphics.As are the NAPA Golds.

There you have it, folks...it's always good to hear these things confirmed by someone who's actually qualified to do so.

fredsavage · Feb 16, 2007

Napa Gold oil filters are about $6 retail here. At O'Reily Wix is $5. Online Napa Gold is about $3.50

MrBiglund · Feb 16, 2007

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I really don't think there's a difference between the two.

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There are more differences than just the ADV. Media type and/or quantity, endcap thickness, can thickness etc. The Carquest Blue series are identical in every way to Wix filters except for the packaging and graphics.As are the NAPA Golds.

Are the carquest standard ones also made by wix? Now i'm wondering if it's a good idea to keep them. Can you tell me if it's a good idea to get the premium instead as these standard ones might be below par quality wise? Also before getting these I bought a Kralinator at another autoparts place as they didn't have the original wix filter in stock. Actually not a single parts place here locally has the original wix filter, all they have are rebranded wix manufactured ones, be it Kralinator or Napa, or Carquest and also Auto Sense. Anyways, the Kralinator seemed to have the red ADVB, i'm wondering if the Kralinator was also identical to the original wix filter or was it less in quality?

Pete C. · Feb 16, 2007

Doc8404 · Mar 8, 2007

is the Napa SILVER much different than the GOLD???

Doc8404 · Mar 8, 2007

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Originally posted by Employee#08:

Patman, thanks for the reply. So the Carquest filters are cheaper in price compared to the Napa's. Do you mind stating the price of the Carquest Honda filter? I would be inclined to know the price difference.

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I've got the receipts right here, including taxes, the NAPA Golds for the Honda (1334) cost $14.69 each, while the Carquest 85334s were $11.00 even. (before tax prices were $12.77 and $9.57) Even better, the Carquest Premium for my Firebird (85060) was only $8.05 before taxes. When I was buying the K&Ns they were $14 and change before tax, and that was when they were on sale!

I didn't get the chance to try out a full throttle run from a dead stop this morning, as the roads were still pretty cold so I don't know how the oil pressure compares to the K&N just yet. It's going to be nice and warm the next few days here though, so I'll get a few opportunities to check it out I'm sure.

i can only hope the Honda filters are cheaper now! that's more than the OEM!
and my civic is running the BOGO from AAP right now.

FleetFilter.com · Mar 10, 2007

Give us a try on your NAPA Gold/WIX filters. We could save you some money.
Bryan

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