Don't park one of these cars in your garage. 
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/tesla-model-s-lights-up-like-a-firecracker/
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Another Tesla Model S Firecracker
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Sometimes the battery is damaged in a way that not small enough to be ignore but also not big enough to cause immediate failure. BMS will try suppressing it until all countermeasures failed. Then the car cook off. Still long way to go in damage control & isolation.
Does gasoline self-combust? I would think that probably all parked ICE vehicle fires are the result of either being struck, or an electrical failure that starts a fire which is fueled by the gasoline. Gas doesn't just start a fire.
Considering the relative numbers I would say gasoline is safe.
There was a tanker truck explosion in MI just last week.
That's a little misleading.
The tanker CRASHED, hitting a medium and rolling over. Then exploded. Geesh.
And it should be noted, these types of accidents by often needlessly shipping fuel by truck and train are mitigated or nearly eliminated using a pipeline. Doh.
No you need a Nissan fuel injector hose, a GM ignition switch or a Ford brake switch for that.
Any vehicle whether it is ICE or EV has the capacity to catch on fire. Without accurate statistical analysis it is impossible to determine which type of vehicle is more/less dangerous. Anyone remember the Ford recall on cruise control module starting fires? A manager who worked in claim does because her husbands compay vehicle caught on fire inside her their garage and burned the house down. Whether or not you embrace EV articles like this are just to grab headlines. No mention of the 18 wheeler fire i saw on I 55 on my way back from IL. If every single vehicle fire was equally reported on there wouldn't be space for the rest of the news. I hate yellow journalism like this as it benefits no one, its a scare tactic or like in this case a "news" site trying to push an ageda.
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Generally agree, but it's generally the electronics that are the culprit of spontaneous fires, including static electricity, wiring, and battery fires. Then the gasoline fuels that electrical originated fires.
It generally takes an impact to start a gasoline fire, and even they gasoline is quite stable.
I've never understood why they don't treat gasoline with chemicals like jet fuel, JP8, etc. that makes it not "burn" in a liquid form but it has to be aerosoled to combust. Probably cost.
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You got to admit it makes for some nice pyrotechnics
I would be curious to see what those numbers are. It may very well be that EVs burn more often relative to how many are on the road - I truly don't know. I expect that EV fires are more interesting news than conventional vehicle fires, so the headlines are likely skewed.
Skip the middle man and burn your hydrocarbons directly
At least a gasoline fire can be be put out with relative ease.
Absolutely, an expensive car going ablaze is a better headliner. But also the fact that it's really hard to put a battery fire out as the battery supplies it's own fuel and oxygen. Either get the battery cooled to the point it can't sustain a fire, or let it burn out are the 2 options. Cooling the battery isn't really an option though unless you can push the car into a swimming pool
The pro and con rock throwing is just that. It may help to illuminate the differing views using simplest common terms.
Example: We want to store 100 units of energy for later use.
Chemical energy (gasoline):
Put it in a single storage container adequate for operational environment + % for unforeseen event.
A mechanical cap to fill and a valve to dispense the energy.
Electrical energy:
create many small storage containers filled with substances capable of storing electrons.
interconnect smaller containers into larger more complex packages using fusible safety disconnects.
install sensors to detect leaks or thermals
Place the larger packs inside single storage container in case something unforeseen happens.
install electronics to read the sensors and manage the storage and release processes of the energy.
Power the electronics separately as safety precaution.
If we use the old saying about a chain and its weakest link we can see that electrical energy has many more links. And each link may also have its own set of links each one representing additional risk.
Which storage method would you say poses the greatest risk of failure in a static environment? Only then do we apply the myriad human initiated chaotic disasters.
I have an electric bicycle. The warnings are to never charge it near anything flammable or if indoors put inside a fireproof box in case you need to pitch it quickly. Thats just a small pack ...not a car full or a 13 ton tesla storage container.
Example: We want to store 100 units of energy for later use.
Chemical energy (gasoline):
Put it in a single storage container adequate for operational environment + % for unforeseen event.
A mechanical cap to fill and a valve to dispense the energy.
Electrical energy:
create many small storage containers filled with substances capable of storing electrons.
interconnect smaller containers into larger more complex packages using fusible safety disconnects.
install sensors to detect leaks or thermals
Place the larger packs inside single storage container in case something unforeseen happens.
install electronics to read the sensors and manage the storage and release processes of the energy.
Power the electronics separately as safety precaution.
If we use the old saying about a chain and its weakest link we can see that electrical energy has many more links. And each link may also have its own set of links each one representing additional risk.
Which storage method would you say poses the greatest risk of failure in a static environment? Only then do we apply the myriad human initiated chaotic disasters.
I have an electric bicycle. The warnings are to never charge it near anything flammable or if indoors put inside a fireproof box in case you need to pitch it quickly. Thats just a small pack ...not a car full or a 13 ton tesla storage container.
I don't know either, but would expect they do burn more, now, but won't at some point soon. The tech is getting better every day, literally as well as figuratively. It's not rocket science....actually some of the tech is pretty much rocket science, and rockets still blow up
Per million miles driven I'll take my odds with the Tesla.
It didnt look plugged in, which makes damage a likely issue.
Lots of bolts going up in smoke, I think GM's on the edge of a second recall and they have already throttled it.
I wish I had room in my garages for vehicles. My little toys get preferred parking, the big ones are too big to fit (moho/boat) and the wife wood working /tile shop get priority over the 2 trucks....
It didnt look plugged in, which makes damage a likely issue.
Lots of bolts going up in smoke, I think GM's on the edge of a second recall and they have already throttled it.
I wish I had room in my garages for vehicles. My little toys get preferred parking, the big ones are too big to fit (moho/boat) and the wife wood working /tile shop get priority over the 2 trucks....