Another "Miracle" lubricant!
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Thanks!!! I enjoyed that. The problem I see with these types of lube ideas is how to deal with contaimanets of internal combustion. Their is no practicle way to have a lubed for life internal combustion engine!! Even if you used centrifical seperator you would still need to replinish the carrier oil periodicly.
Now I can see how something like this would work great in automatic transmissions and differientials were you primarry concern is keeping the temp.'s down. You could filter these for wear metals no problem. If the capacity was high enough and you never over heated them I can see were it could be a sealed unit.
Now I can see how something like this would work great in automatic transmissions and differientials were you primarry concern is keeping the temp.'s down. You could filter these for wear metals no problem. If the capacity was high enough and you never over heated them I can see were it could be a sealed unit.
Bypass filtration + full flow filtration + regular filter changes + engine oil consumption + top offs.........= a way to deal with all those contaminents
The question is what are they adding to the oil? whats it effect on the emissions system?
Will API/SAE/ILSAC/ACEA/OEMs be happy with this?
The question is what are they adding to the oil? whats it effect on the emissions system?
Will API/SAE/ILSAC/ACEA/OEMs be happy with this?
Maybe we're looking at the replacement for ZDDP?
http://www.apnano.com/products.asp
[ December 30, 2004, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: 427Z06 ]
http://www.apnano.com/products.asp
[ December 30, 2004, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: 427Z06 ]
427Z06, I agree with you that it would make a beter additive then a replacment for current oil tecnology.
Undummy you really can not call it lubed for life if you have to replenish anything at all! Lubed for Life, sealed for life etc... implys that you are not allowed to replenish it in anyway!
By pass filtration would not work on the engine with out replenishment. You could not build a big enough filter to leave on for the life of the vechile without haveing an insane volume of oil to cover lifetime of consuption. I think they would need to change the termanology of lubed for life or sealed entirely for the type of common sense aproch you recomended!!
I would like to see how this technology could be used to push up oil change intervals though! It would be great to be able to run 1 year with the same oil and get about the same wear as you would get with a 3000 mile oci!!!
Undummy you really can not call it lubed for life if you have to replenish anything at all! Lubed for Life, sealed for life etc... implys that you are not allowed to replenish it in anyway!
By pass filtration would not work on the engine with out replenishment. You could not build a big enough filter to leave on for the life of the vechile without haveing an insane volume of oil to cover lifetime of consuption. I think they would need to change the termanology of lubed for life or sealed entirely for the type of common sense aproch you recomended!!
I would like to see how this technology could be used to push up oil change intervals though! It would be great to be able to run 1 year with the same oil and get about the same wear as you would get with a 3000 mile oci!!!
Where is "lubed for life" defined in a combustion engine? We are not talking about alternator or wheel bearings here. Even the lubed for life u-joints in my car get junked every 100k miles. I agree that the definition for "lubed for life" needs a terminology change.
As far as I'm concerned, "lube for life" in an engine should be as simple as "no drainplug".
Isn't lacking a drainplug an issue with some ATF changes already?? Or the annoying lack of an ATF dipstick??
Doesn't synlube push an oil that is a "lube for life"?
IMO, eliminating "oil changes" is feasible.
But, lacking a dipstick or means of topping off is foolish.
Regardless, oil also needs filtration.
They'll need "filtration for life" to work with the "oil for life" in an engine that will not burn a drop of oil during its life.
Engineering can create a sealed for life engine.
But, how long is the life? the length of the vehicle lease!!
As far as I'm concerned, "lube for life" in an engine should be as simple as "no drainplug".
Isn't lacking a drainplug an issue with some ATF changes already?? Or the annoying lack of an ATF dipstick??
Doesn't synlube push an oil that is a "lube for life"?
IMO, eliminating "oil changes" is feasible.
But, lacking a dipstick or means of topping off is foolish.
Regardless, oil also needs filtration.
They'll need "filtration for life" to work with the "oil for life" in an engine that will not burn a drop of oil during its life.
Engineering can create a sealed for life engine.
But, how long is the life? the length of the vehicle lease!!
Sounds like Amsoil to me!
Sorry guys I couldn't help my self.
UNDUMMY, The article used the term lubed for life! The life of the vechile would be determined by the OEM but it would probably be some sill and short life cycle like 3-5years adn 120,000 miles!
Luckily most of the companys I prefer to do business with do not make such silly claims and even include a drain plug on the trans and diff's!
I think the true key to this nano lube is to reduce wear to extend the life cycle of a power train. It would be a bigger boom to guys like us then to OEM. Synthetic lube is a huge step up in some cases it still can not reduce wear rates like this nano lube has the potential to do. If it reduces heat and friction like it claims millage issues with bigger engines would become less of an issue.
I think that it could be used well in automatics if it was used to lube the gear train and t/c but not the friction materials.
Luckily most of the companys I prefer to do business with do not make such silly claims and even include a drain plug on the trans and diff's!
I think the true key to this nano lube is to reduce wear to extend the life cycle of a power train. It would be a bigger boom to guys like us then to OEM. Synthetic lube is a huge step up in some cases it still can not reduce wear rates like this nano lube has the potential to do. If it reduces heat and friction like it claims millage issues with bigger engines would become less of an issue.
I think that it could be used well in automatics if it was used to lube the gear train and t/c but not the friction materials.
More miracle Lubes..
http://www.rtvanderbilt.com/petro_2.htm
Steve S, Be careful with Amsoil. The ONLY people claiming it to be the ultimate lubricant are the people who make it and sell it. I would like to see an independent comparison done by a laboratory that does not sell oil...
http://www.rtvanderbilt.com/petro_2.htm
Steve S, Be careful with Amsoil. The ONLY people claiming it to be the ultimate lubricant are the people who make it and sell it. I would like to see an independent comparison done by a laboratory that does not sell oil...
I stopped believing in 'miracle' lubricants a long time ago. People make all kinds of claims but what happens if something goes wrong in your engine? Do you think the car or truck manufacturer is going to pay for the repair if you did not change your oil?
I notice on that one web site that they talk about Moly like it is the old Moly of the past. Modern day Moly used in engines is in chemical combination.
I notice on that one web site that they talk about Moly like it is the old Moly of the past. Modern day Moly used in engines is in chemical combination.
Then there's this new "miracle" lubricant - "CerTech Ultra" by Greased Lightning, as seen recently in Pop Mechanics magazine. Looks like another variation of a PTFE Teflon-type additive, that they call "Cerflon". "Slickest substance known to man", "Colloidal suspension process", "Lowest coefficient of friction of any solid substance on earth" are a few quotes. Sounds like another Slick 50 or TufOil to me.
LOL!! Yup I agree !
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Originally posted by Steve S:
Sounds like Amsoil to me!Sorry guys I couldn't help my self.
I'm a Ph.D. chemist doing research in nanotechnology. Here's the problem I see with the "nanolube":
The "inorganic nanoparticles" are colloidal, meaning that they're solid particles held in suspension. The stability of a colloid (or, its resistance to agglomeration and precipitation, where the solid particles lump together and fall out of the solution) is dramatically affected by the composition of the solvent. The solvent, in this case, would be the carrier oil.
It's easy to formulate a colloid in a given solvent, especially when the solvent is highly pure. The real problem is what happens as the solvent composition changes. The carrier oil composition will be constantly changing as the it traps contaminants and the TBN plummets.
What I'm saying is that designing a colloid that is stable over the vast array of conditions that may be encountered in an engine is a daunting task, and this article doesn't even touch on the issue.
The term "nanotechnology" has become a buzzword, and more often than not the "buzz" is nothing more than some labrat's pipe dream. Until these guys provide some evidence that they've overcome the above problems, I call "Bunk!"
The "inorganic nanoparticles" are colloidal, meaning that they're solid particles held in suspension. The stability of a colloid (or, its resistance to agglomeration and precipitation, where the solid particles lump together and fall out of the solution) is dramatically affected by the composition of the solvent. The solvent, in this case, would be the carrier oil.
It's easy to formulate a colloid in a given solvent, especially when the solvent is highly pure. The real problem is what happens as the solvent composition changes. The carrier oil composition will be constantly changing as the it traps contaminants and the TBN plummets.
What I'm saying is that designing a colloid that is stable over the vast array of conditions that may be encountered in an engine is a daunting task, and this article doesn't even touch on the issue.
The term "nanotechnology" has become a buzzword, and more often than not the "buzz" is nothing more than some labrat's pipe dream. Until these guys provide some evidence that they've overcome the above problems, I call "Bunk!"
Hey y'all, I've been runnin that nanerlub in ma old truck for the last 2 years now....Yeah she's out back in tha back part of the yard..out by those trees..been idlin out there for 2 YEARS!!! I just let that grass gro up real high around her just to keep them jealous neighbors from knowin she's out there....must also help muffle the sound, been so quiet out there yu'd almost not know she's out thar....
These ads want you to sign up and be a beta tester, and you pay. What a deal. If there is only a small chance for an unknown small improvment in lubrication performance then what's the attraction? And the people that will bite may not even unserstand anything about what's happening. Maybe the people selling the stuff don't know, either. This stuff could be more expensive than the 'South Beach' diet. Would Al call it nano pi$$.
"Spherical inorganic nanoparticles"? Molyballs!
OdinsRageSS said, "No political comments, Thanks"
Sorry, OdinsRageSS --
If Nanolube disappears, we'll all say, "Yup -- musta been one of those miracle lubricants -- har, har, har . . . !"
On the other hand, if it disappears, it could mean that the oil industry has buried it like the medical profession/pharmaceutical industry buried the cure for cancer back in the 1920s and 30s.
It could also mean that various political entities buried it, through whatever means, because it posed a threat to the balance of money (and all it entails) in the Middle East.
Stay tuned: Snake oil? Threat to the oil industry? Threat to the balance of resources in the Middle East? Yet another conflict between the Arabs and the Israelis?
"Enjoy" . . . indeed . . .
Sorry, OdinsRageSS --
If Nanolube disappears, we'll all say, "Yup -- musta been one of those miracle lubricants -- har, har, har . . . !"
On the other hand, if it disappears, it could mean that the oil industry has buried it like the medical profession/pharmaceutical industry buried the cure for cancer back in the 1920s and 30s.
It could also mean that various political entities buried it, through whatever means, because it posed a threat to the balance of money (and all it entails) in the Middle East.
Stay tuned: Snake oil? Threat to the oil industry? Threat to the balance of resources in the Middle East? Yet another conflict between the Arabs and the Israelis?
"Enjoy" . . . indeed . . .
I wanted to kind of rectify this thread. After reading Race Tech Internation Magazine. It looks as though Millers Oil, in the UK, is adding inorganic fullerenes in the form of Buckyballs,(C60)and Nanotubes, to there transmission oils. This is essentially what was in the Nanolube from ApNano. They are doing testing with it in their engine oil with 6 teams in the BTCC. Seems all the teams are currently running it in their transmissions.
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