You're saying quality did not taken a nose dive during the shut down(s)? Talk to a dealership mechanic or 2.Ridiculous.
You're saying quality did not taken a nose dive during the shut down(s)? Talk to a dealership mechanic or 2.Ridiculous.
Is engine milkshake from failed oil coolers becoming a thing as well? There seem to be 2-3 posts of that issue, every month, lately in the Ram FB groups. Mostly on the 2019 trucks at higher mileage.This one is a 22 truck, with 2k on it. Valve broke off at keeper groove. Piston in pieces, rod broke in 3 pieces. Second one in 3 months, last one was a 21 6.4 in a Car, also low miles. It also dropped valve but never looked close to see where valve broke on that one. Don't remember last time I saw this. Also starting to see a noticeable uptick in valvetrain issues in 19 up 5.7s. Have seen a half dozen with worn ball ends at rocker end on pushrod/wear in rocker. All lower miles with proper oil changes. First one, pulled apart for cam/lifters, then couldn't see anything wrong.....then looked closer. Never seen that before. Quality drop from covid shutdowns or cost cutting? Who knows. Can see stem of valve still stuck in retainer with keepers in pic. And for the record , thats not my nasty hands, i'm a clean freak and wear gloves!!
Yep!!You're saying quality did not taken a nose dive during the shut down(s)? Talk to a dealership mechanic or 2.
Have not seen one yet...on anything. I have heard of a couple, but not many.Is engine milkshake from failed oil coolers becoming a thing as well? There seem to be 2-3 posts of that issue, every month, lately in the Ram FB groups. Mostly on the 2019 trucks at higher mileage.
Team Zero, do you work in a dealership or a private shop? Makes you wonder, if it is a rare incidence and you happened to see 2 of them or if it is one of those things that is going to show up routinely over a certain production run? Like anything like that, it could be confined to a few days production and once MOPAR starts getting warrantable failure they look into it and figure out where it began and where it stops or it may be worse than that.This one is a 22 truck, with 2k on it. Valve broke off at keeper groove. Piston in pieces, rod broke in 3 pieces. Second one in 3 months, last one was a 21 6.4 in a Car, also low miles. It also dropped valve but never looked close to see where valve broke on that one. Don't remember last time I saw this. Also starting to see a noticeable uptick in valvetrain issues in 19 up 5.7s. Have seen a half dozen with worn ball ends at rocker end on pushrod/wear in rocker. All lower miles with proper oil changes. First one, pulled apart for cam/lifters, then couldn't see anything wrong.....then looked closer. Never seen that before. Quality drop from covid shutdowns or cost cutting? Who knows. Can see stem of valve still stuck in retainer with keepers in pic. And for the record , thats not my nasty hands, i'm a clean freak and wear gloves!!
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Something like this unless there's a class action suit we'll never know what they know.Team Zero, do you work in a dealership or a private shop? Makes you wonder, if it is a rare incidence and you happened to see 2 of them or if it is one of those things that is going to show up routinely over a certain production run? Like anything like that, it could be confined to a few days production and once MOPAR starts getting warrantable failure they look into it and figure out where it began and where it stops or it may be worse than that.
regarding clean hands, you must be part of the current generation of mechanics who wear gloves. I'm from the older generation of mechanics who all have grease stained walls at home around the light switches where we sweat out the grease and carbon at home on the walls and other surfaces we touch.. I bet you dont wash your hands in the parts cleaner either.
That was literally over half a century ago. Dodge (as all mfrs) factors the warranty cost into the price of the vehicle. Do you really think taking a V8 vehicle from 425HP to 700HP costs $30k over the “base” vehicle? Heck no, ~$22,000+ of that is “insurance” in case the mfr has to cover warranty failures.Maybe the drivers beating on them? I'm surprised Chrysler even gives an engine warranty on Hellcat or higher engines. I remember reading the owners manual for a 1970 Dodge and it specifically mentions there is no warranty on the hemi engine.
Didn't ask me but ...... . I bet you dont wash your hands in the parts cleaner either.
When everyone is demanding lower prices and the average consumer is going to get rid of a product in a nominal amount of time anyways whether there is still usable life left or not, no they can't afford to be significantly better. Most manufacturers don't care about the secondary market because they don't see any money from it.I heard a fairly high level manager one time talking about a like scenario, basically we could not afford to have significantly better products and services than the competition.
regarding clean hands, you must be part of the current generation of mechanics who wear gloves. I'm from the older generation of mechanics who all have grease stained walls at home around the light switches where we sweat out the grease and carbon at home on the walls and other surfaces we touch.. I bet you dont wash your hands in the parts cleaner either.
I used to clean my hands in bearing grease, then wipe it off with a shop rag. I remember my Chem Prof. telling me, "Like dissolves Like".Is that really a good thing? Or just one of those things that people brag about because it makes the feel better about themselves.
*sulks in cancer*
I think most everybody are running cracked cap pm rods these days. First I heard of them was on the Modular.I'd like to see the designed to fracture rod that you mentioned.
I would agree these are more common than folks think. It is a cost thing. They are much cheaper to manufacture.I think most everybody are running cracked cap pm rods these days. First I heard of them was on the Modular.
And you get better and tighter cap registration. If you are going to spin it high and hard you will want something else. Should be fine for most near-stock street driven vehicles. Most GM LS have PM rods.I would agree these are more common than folks think. It is a cost thing. They are much cheaper to manufacture.
Just my $0.02
Dealer tech. Used to laugh at gloves, used to stick bare hands in pails of old nasty carb cleaner. But as I got older, dry cracked,bleeding sore hands are not fun. And I'm a clean freak anyway, so much easier to stay clean.Team Zero, do you work in a dealership or a private shop? Makes you wonder, if it is a rare incidence and you happened to see 2 of them or if it is one of those things that is going to show up routinely over a certain production run? Like anything like that, it could be confined to a few days production and once MOPAR starts getting warrantable failure they look into it and figure out where it began and where it stops or it may be worse than that.
regarding clean hands, you must be part of the current generation of mechanics who wear gloves. I'm from the older generation of mechanics who all have grease stained walls at home around the light switches where we sweat out the grease and carbon at home on the walls and other surfaces we touch.. I bet you dont wash your hands in the parts cleaner either.
Nope....all low speed failures.I'm gonna guess that the valve stem failure was caused by valve float.
Maybe the valve spring was at the low end of tolerance for spring pressure.