Another $56k Ionic6 battery replacement totaled car.
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No they dont. HK uses SK Industries.
Its far, far worse that its ever been. The push to get designs out the door is higher pressure than it was even 10 years ago. Corners get cut everywhere, bugs are set aside in hopes there not discovered until there is an actual fix for them.
So some quick google foo tells me this battery is $37,765 list in the USA. Several dealers advertising online for around 20% off, which would be just about a normal trade discount for a normal dealer part.
So this means the dealer is most likely paying in the very low $20K for it - maybe $22K. H/K is making money on that. Simple solution is H/K needs to figure out how to get these in the hands of insurance for a reasonable price, or risk making their cars uninsureable?
BTW - how are these batteries ruined during a accident? Are they physically damaged, or does the shock do it? It would seem like something that should be better protected. In a crash your radiator is destroyed, not the engine.
So this means the dealer is most likely paying in the very low $20K for it - maybe $22K. H/K is making money on that. Simple solution is H/K needs to figure out how to get these in the hands of insurance for a reasonable price, or risk making their cars uninsureable?
BTW - how are these batteries ruined during a accident? Are they physically damaged, or does the shock do it? It would seem like something that should be better protected. In a crash your radiator is destroyed, not the engine.
My system shows MSRP @ $37,655. Either way, you could buy an endless supply of AA's for that lol
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Just knowing what we know about the car business, it's rarely "delightful" and often "disappointing." It would seem the owner ran over something, a feeling I'm positive all of us know. We wouldn't think we're out $60k and a car as a result. I ran over a shovel head on the Platt Bridge in a brand new 335i. There was no way to avoid it. I was horrified and disgusted, my thoughts immediately turned to what got punctured, external oil cooler line, etc.
I've read appliance reviews where one has 48 hours to return, and a $1,000+ purchase fails right away, and although under warranty, nothing for 9 days as far as a service call.
What I'm saying is it's pretty difficult to spin this story into a positive. As people we need to avoid these scenarios that cause grief.
I've read appliance reviews where one has 48 hours to return, and a $1,000+ purchase fails right away, and although under warranty, nothing for 9 days as far as a service call.
What I'm saying is it's pretty difficult to spin this story into a positive. As people we need to avoid these scenarios that cause grief.
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I got rechargeable AA's for $5.22 per 4 (kids' toys have an insatiable appetite). Recognizing this was a super deal, I ordered qty 3.
You know what happened next--suddenly not available and delayed at amazon. I decided to wait them out as tempting as it was to cancel. Took 4 days shy of one month to get the batteries
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The Hundy owner/defenders seem to be missing the point that underbody damage that would result in a repair of some sort then drive on has caused 2 different hundy dealers on opposite sides of Canada to determine the battery is compromised and needs replacement and the extremely high cost of the battery, documented, is causing the vehicle to be declared totaled. The damage photos I’ve seen could result in anything from no repairs needed if the floorpan was dented to engine failure if the oil pan was punctured on an ICE vehicle. Unlikely an engine replacement will total a new vehicle.
2 things wrong with this picture, not protecting critical equipment better and the extremely high cost of repair/replacement. Hitting debris on the road happens as does driving over a curb. Neither should result in a totaled new vehicle.
2 things wrong with this picture, not protecting critical equipment better and the extremely high cost of repair/replacement. Hitting debris on the road happens as does driving over a curb. Neither should result in a totaled new vehicle.
So given the battery costs are well documented - and I am using the likely real cost which would be maybe under $15K manufacturing cost = that device needs to be protected.
You don't put your ECU next to the floor pan. Don't put the battery there either. Yes, they have a issue with center of gravity. They need to overcome it somehow. More modular, distributed batteries would help with both, less likely to destroy the whole thing at once, better weight distribution.
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Bingo. This isn't some fundamental EV problem, this is an HK specific problem. The fact that the default response by both dealerships was "you need a new $42,000CDN battery that's worth more than the car" is a serious issue. I kind of expect this stuff from Tesla, they've made their batteries structural and have been quite upfront about them not being serviceable/modular. However, other marques have made it a point to talk about how individual modules and components can be replaced and it was easy for me to find examples of BMW going exactly that route with an i4, which is what we should expect to see.
I would like to know just how serious this "scratch" was. Nothing seems to add up to me. And I sure as heck don't believe Internet sensationalism. But who knows? I sure don't and I tend to be a skeptic. Did something happen? Sure looks like it. The quality assurance analytics folks speak of "chronics and sames".
I have no idea how many of these cars are on the road and/or how many of these damages have occurred.
Time will tell how these cars work out. If it really is an engineering defect, perhaps Hyundai will take a lesson.
I did read Hyundai offered the owner a discount on a new vehicle, but once bitten twice shy, as they say.
I have no idea how many of these cars are on the road and/or how many of these damages have occurred.
Time will tell how these cars work out. If it really is an engineering defect, perhaps Hyundai will take a lesson.
I did read Hyundai offered the owner a discount on a new vehicle, but once bitten twice shy, as they say.
Ive seen one or two ev6 on the forums with ouncturee coolijg in the past 2 years. It wasnt a little scratch, or iffy, or the car still driving.
Bingo!!
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Figured you'd come up with something even if you had to go back over 6 years to find 1 example . The guy hit a big chunk of concrete or whatever hard enough to BREAK A STRUCTURAL MEMBER OF THE FRAME. Sucks for the Corvette guy but do you really think they were similar events in the amount of destructive force transmitted to the vehicle? The underbody panel of the Hundy looks like it's made of a thin composite material of some sort, and this is supposed to protect the $42k C battery from impact? Wait, it really isn't supposed to protect the battery? So nothing really protects the battery from what the technician thought were minor impacts. And a minor dent in the actual battery case under the underbody cover will render it unusable and total the car. Got it.
This is a design problem as mentioned above and if it's illustrative of how EVs are built it's a serious problem that ignores real world conditions. One could see the cost of yearly EV insurance soon totally negating any fuel savings. Then what do you have? How many would buy an EV if the all in yearly costs to operate are higher than ICE?
Full disclosure: I'm not anti-EV and could see us having one if our vehicle needs change and it made sense. But only with eyes wide open with no compromises and practical issues like this are resolved.
I mean, someone scoured the internet to find 2 cases on an entire continent to bolster their anti-EV rhetoric...
But, since you insist...
I mean, we can play the game all day long, but the point remains that sometimes, yes, "things can happen". In fact, I have it on good authority that deer total wayyyy more cars than potholes and road debris every year, and yet we literally have people who are "against hunting". Go figure!
I now have about 35k and 1 year time on EV's, and the undersides of both of them are/were fine. Could something happen tomorrow? Sure! But a deer is more likely. Now, about the oil and/or transmission cooler that ICE cars have up front...and the oil/coolant mixers they have down below...
just google "BMW oil pan engine destroyed" and you can find an amazing plethora of hits, lol! I'm sure it's the same for most makes.
I highly doubt my EV will cost more to operate than an equivalent ICE vehicle, but to answer your question, I'd consider dumping an EV if my insurance went up to $500/mo and my electricity cost tripled. That's about the threshold it would take for me to consider something like an X3M Comp, etc.
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