Another $56k Ionic6 battery replacement totaled car.

The impression that I get from a LOT of companies these days is that the consumer are the beta testers.
That is always true. You can test test and test some more. You do the best you can, but until it hits the public, it is not tested.
I used to write business application software for a billion dollar company. You never know until it hits the road.

But your point is well taken; the better testing you do prior to release, the better your product will be.
 
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This is why I am waiting for Toyota before I jump into these questionable quick time to market cars. Just like the early Leafs owners, just lease them instead of buying them.
 
They keep saying the cooling system ruptured, with zero evidence of it. Sounds like BS to me. There is no way you're DC fast charging, driving for 3 days, etc. with a cooling system ruptured and not getting some kind of issue or light on the dash or anything from it.
It could be some sort of loose cables or temperature sensors inside the pack get knocked disconnected due to shock. I don't think this is something that cannot be fixed but if the manufacturer didn't have any repair instruction and training for repair, they would redirect you to get a new one instead of spending the R&D for repair.

In other words, they didn't finish the job before selling the vehicles, and they didn't think about how you are going to repair it other than "replace the whole thing" just in case. Sometimes questionable companies cut corners on the last 1% of the work and pray that customers will be dealt with it in statistics instead of engineering. For a financially desperate company, screwing the customer is better than coughing it out and pay for it with a recall or TSB.
 
This is why I am waiting for Toyota before I jump into these questionable quick time to market cars. Just like the early Leafs owners, just lease them instead of buying them.
Wild how they released the rav4 prime with battery cable issues, fire hazard if charged below 40f, and a leaky roof, the bz4x with wheels that can fall off, etc huh.? What are you waiting for Toyota for?
 
It could be some sort of loose cables or temperature sensors inside the pack get knocked disconnected due to shock. I don't think this is something that cannot be fixed but if the manufacturer didn't have any repair instruction and training for repair, they would redirect you to get a new one instead of spending the R&D for repair.

In other words, they didn't finish the job before selling the vehicles, and they didn't think about how you are going to repair it other than "replace the whole thing" just in case. Sometimes questionable companies cut corners on the last 1% of the work and pray that customers will be dealt with it in statistics instead of engineering. For a financially desperate company, screwing the customer is better than coughing it out and pay for it with a recall or TSB.
Have you ever once seen a sensor unplugged on a modern ev not result in a light? No. They are just opining the coolant system is ruptured. No proof. No evidence beside case deformation.

Does it work? Yes.
Are there any service lights? No
Is charging or discharging at high rates compromised? No

So how can we say it has a problem?
 
Customers shouldn't be beta testers but they are and not just with cars.
+1 I've been saying that for years, not only are they beta testers, they're unpaid beta testers. But there are a lot of people that want to be first in line for something brand spanking new or only out for a year. Losing money is a great teacher, hopefully there was a lesson learned here.
 
+1 I've been saying that for years, not only are they beta testers, they're unpaid beta testers. But there are a lot of people that want to be first in line for something brand spanking new or only out for a year. Losing money is a great teacher, hopefully there was a lesson learned here.
It's a dice roll. Look at Mazdas 2.5 Turbo. It was awesome until 2021 when they switched valve seals and they all began burning oil. Who'd have guessed a Ward's top 10, half decade old, proven engine would suddenly sour?
 
It's a dice roll. Look at Mazdas 2.5 Turbo. It was awesome until 2021 when they switched valve seals and they all began burning oil. Who'd have guessed a Ward's top 10, half decade old, proven engine would suddenly sour?
For sure, but the odds imo of getting a dog in the first year or two of something new are a lot greater. I'll let the people that need to be the first to buy the new releases do the beta testing on their dime. That thinking has kept a lot of us out of trouble.
 
Remember the F-117 stealth paint washing off in the rain? Remember when we "passed UHC to find out what was in the bill"? Literally every industry seems to be like this, and it's annoying.
I don't remember F-117A "paint " washing off because it isn't paint. It's RAM (Radar absorbant material) closer to an epoxy, it's literally covered in ram tiles that have to be carefully hand applied.
 
For sure, but the odds imo of getting a dog in the first year or two of something new are a lot greater. I'll let the people that need to be the first to buy the new releases do the beta testing on their dime. That thinking has kept a lot of us out of trouble.
Maybe, and sometimes they're the best years. Consider the 5.0 GT. The last model of it in 1993 of the fox body even lost its forged pistons, and every year prior 1-2hp to little emissions tweaks! Then consider that the 1998 F-bodies were some of the quickest F-bodies. Then look at the Mazda CX5 turbo...in 2019 it was an amazing car, by 2021 it was getting TSB's for consuming oil that year. You really never know, and it's just a car, so...roll your dice.
 
Maybe, and sometimes they're the best years. Consider the 5.0 GT. The last model of it in 1993 of the fox body even lost its forged pistons, and every year prior 1-2hp to little emissions tweaks! Then consider that the 1998 F-bodies were some of the quickest F-bodies. Then look at the Mazda CX5 turbo...in 2019 it was an amazing car, by 2021 it was getting TSB's for consuming oil that year. You really never know, and it's just a car, so...roll your dice.
Maybe. FTR we're talking EV's here. Me I'd rather wait before coughing up that kind of cash. My bet is the party/parties referenced in the article wished they waited, or stayed with ICE. At my age I see no need to be the first one to dive in head first on this type of purchase, especially with an EV. Our opinions are going to vary on this.
 
Maybe. FTR we're talking EV's here. Me I'd rather wait before coughing up that kind of cash. My bet is the party/parties referenced in the article wished they waited, or stayed with ICE. At my age I see no need to be the first one to dive in head first on this type of purchase, especially with an EV. Our opinions are going to vary on this.
What about the Z06 corvette owners who wished they'd not bought the 7.0L because it was dropping valves and GM was blocking warranties? It applies in the ICE world just the same, LS7's aren't exactly cheap and a new longblock is timely to install, relatively. How long has GM been making corvette engines? They finally found the issue (out of spec valve guides) in 2013, I believe...about half a decade after it began, lol! This is just one example. You can find random issues all you want, and I promise if your litmus is 2 per 100K sales, we can find many examples of random fails, indeed!
 
+1 I've been saying that for years, not only are they beta testers, they're unpaid beta testers. But there are a lot of people that want to be first in line for something brand spanking new or only out for a year. Losing money is a great teacher, hopefully there was a lesson learned here.
Add reputational damage to Hyundai/KIA.
 
What about the Z06 corvette owners who wished they'd not bought the 7.0L because it was dropping valves and GM was blocking warranties? It applies in the ICE world just the same, LS7's aren't exactly cheap and a new longblock is timely to install, relatively. How long has GM been making corvette engines? They finally found the issue (out of spec valve guides) in 2013, I believe...about half a decade after it began, lol! This is just one example. You can find random issues all you want, and I promise if your litmus is 2 per 100K sales, we can find many examples of random fails, indeed!
Like I said our opinions are going to differ. When EV numbers total ICE numbers we can revisit this. Just out or curiosity how many ICE Hyundai vehicles are on the road compared to their EV offerings? How about with an RO as high as the EV in question?
 
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How long before an enterprising young man, makes a heavy duty skid plate for them, and becomes a millionaire.
 
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