Originally Posted By: Tempest
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All Federal, State and Local Govt spending is about $20k per capita. So add up the number of people in your family and multiply it by $20k.
That is a per capita tax, NOT a flat tax. You are trying to confuse the discussion.
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That's all you are pretty much talking about when you say you want the same % tax for everyone.
The idea is that everyone have skin in the game. If a large portion of the population pays no tax, but a small percent does, then you have a tyrannous situation where the majority will always tend to vote the minority's money into their own wallets. And politicians are more than willing to create generations of dependent people to achieve the power of arbiter.
You still believe that talking point?
Firstly, the number that was quoted was in a year when a recession and some temporary tax relief made it abnormal.
Secondly the majority of people paying no income tax are elderly, unable to work due to disability or students or long term unemployed without work.
You've fixated on the poor like they are a huge problem based on some idiot who represented them as 47% of the population followed up by other idiots who came up with this skin in the game fantasy.
You really need to look at real numbers. Out of $20k per capita of total govt spending, the Feds spend $1k in the welfare category.
We spend $4k on healthcare (a handout for everyone including the rich), $2.6k on military (again non poor people) which is impossible to cut because of jobs and votes.
Since this is per capita, the amount of tax that you personally pay that goes to the poor may be more or less. For most people it will be less.
But out of this $1k per capita that goes to welfare, what proportion goes to people in genuine need vs those you think are not deserving? So if you ended it, how much better would that make things?
I'm all for policies that help the poor raise themselves up. But believing that the amount spent is significant or a problem in and of itself, then you are being distracted from the real issues at the expense of demonizing the poor.
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All Federal, State and Local Govt spending is about $20k per capita. So add up the number of people in your family and multiply it by $20k.
That is a per capita tax, NOT a flat tax. You are trying to confuse the discussion.
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That's all you are pretty much talking about when you say you want the same % tax for everyone.
The idea is that everyone have skin in the game. If a large portion of the population pays no tax, but a small percent does, then you have a tyrannous situation where the majority will always tend to vote the minority's money into their own wallets. And politicians are more than willing to create generations of dependent people to achieve the power of arbiter.
You still believe that talking point?
Firstly, the number that was quoted was in a year when a recession and some temporary tax relief made it abnormal.
Secondly the majority of people paying no income tax are elderly, unable to work due to disability or students or long term unemployed without work.
You've fixated on the poor like they are a huge problem based on some idiot who represented them as 47% of the population followed up by other idiots who came up with this skin in the game fantasy.
You really need to look at real numbers. Out of $20k per capita of total govt spending, the Feds spend $1k in the welfare category.
We spend $4k on healthcare (a handout for everyone including the rich), $2.6k on military (again non poor people) which is impossible to cut because of jobs and votes.
Since this is per capita, the amount of tax that you personally pay that goes to the poor may be more or less. For most people it will be less.
But out of this $1k per capita that goes to welfare, what proportion goes to people in genuine need vs those you think are not deserving? So if you ended it, how much better would that make things?
I'm all for policies that help the poor raise themselves up. But believing that the amount spent is significant or a problem in and of itself, then you are being distracted from the real issues at the expense of demonizing the poor.