And for my first post...something simple.

[Gary Allan]

There are a whole lot of products that are passive in effect. That is, they're hard to place true value on since they're maintaining the status quo ..and surely there will be some of this that is done unnecessarily.


..but, my gosh, all one needs to do is listen to the membership (let alone view the imaged results of use) and anyone would realize that this isn't some butt dyno "wishful thinking". I've seen "mass mania" as in a large group of people acting like they've convinced themselves that something is ..when it isn't ..but only at the end of a boss that will fire you for not acting out the mythos of their employment conditions.

Auto-Rx is the real deal.

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

It's funny, but I've heard of Saturn and Toyotas that have engine issues DESPITE careful and regular maintenance.

I have not dreamt this, have I?

 

[bruce381]

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I probably don't have much time left here so oileak save your money for good oil, filters, and frequent intervals. and don't continue to take automotive advice from paramedics and lawers (especially not lawyers).

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I kinda agreed till this last post.
bruce

 

[tsmay51]

I have not ever used autorx. I too was skeptical about it when I first heard of it. After reading on here and doing some research, it looks like a great product. I haven't had a reason to use it yet. You can bet I will when there is a need.

 

[OilLeak]

Well...

I am glad to see this post is going well!

Thanks for the input everyone. As far as my car is concearned, it is an 02 WRX w/ 84k on the motor. The orginal owner switched over to Mobil 1 10w30 after the motor was broken in. I got the car with 72k on it, and I have done 4 oil changes on the car. I have used both Valvoline 10w30 and Mobil 1 10w30 and 10w40. Oil change number 5 is coming up here in about 500 miles. I have an oil analysis kit ready and waiting. I am probably going to stick with the Mobil 1 10w40 until I get the results back from the oil analysis, and at that point I will decide what to do as far as oil choice goes. I am sure that I can find some good info on oil somewhere on this site.

As far as the AutoRx is concearned, I really don't know much about it, and I haven't read this whole thread yet. It was brought to my attention on another message board when I posted about blue smoke that occasionally puffs out of my tailpipe after my car has been sitting for more than 48 hours. Someone suggested that the valve seals could have some build up and that AutoRx could *possibly* help. I went to the AutoRx website and read up on it. I am not usually one to buy into Snake Oil type products so I was naturally skeptic at first, but the site is very straight forward about what it can/can't/might/might not do...I didn't feel like they were trying to sell me something. BUT, that is a really pricey project...with having to buy all that oil and oil filters etc...so I am not jumping on it just yet.

This little puff of blue smoke every once and a while really doesn't worry me enough yet, especially because I am considering an engine swap anyway so...oil anaylsis first, then decide what to do.

that's my story.

 

[BrianWC]

Lol, let me just tell you what I have spent on de-sludging my car. $50 on arx (worked slowly), $3 on Berryman Chemtool (didn't work), $40 on a case of Schaeffer's Neutra (didn't work), $15 on LC20 (didn't SEEM to work), $50 on an oil change worth of Redline (didn't work). Then I went and got enough arx to do some more maint doses and it worked just as it had on the clean rinse practically. If I had just done maint doses the whole time I would have saved a lot of grief. Also, I'd point out changes I did with JUST M1 did nothing either. Maybe that's changed with the HM oils but....

I wouldn't stress the blue puff that much if you have to let the car sit THAT long to see anything. Maybe a sign of a bigger issue down the road but....

 

[Cooper]

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I probably don't have much time left here so oileak save your money for good oil, filters, and frequent intervals. and don't continue to take automotive advice from paramedics and lawers (especially not lawyers).

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Well, this is quite offensive. Thank you G-MAN, you are doing a good job.

As for myself, I feel I have to explain who I am. I am a paramedic by profession. I am also a firefighter. I work 24 hours and then I have 48 hours off. I have been in Emergency Medical Services for 7 years and I am 27 years old. I grew up in a home with enough money to be comfortable but not enough to pay for things like $90 mechanic hourly rates. My step-father did all the maintanance on our vehicles and he made it a point to make sure I knew what he was doing and was there to help. It was part of my chores. I helped with pretty much every oil change, and did most of them between ages 13-18. I have been interested in cars, and car maintainance far longer than I have been a paramedic. I love to help fix things, whether it be a person who breaks a leg from a fall, or a car that breaks a tie rod. I am here to learn more than here to teach. If I knew 1/2 of what some folks here knew about motor oil, I would consider myself blessed. I will only give my 2 cents if I feel comfortable with the knowledge that I am mearly relaying from other knowledgable professionals on this board or from my own experience with the topic.

 

[Cooper]

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It's funny, but I've heard of Saturn and Toyotas that have engine issues DESPITE careful and regular maintenance.

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This is not a dream, my sister had a 2003 Toyota Camry 4 cyl. and she did regular oil changes at 3k miles

with nothing but Valvoline dino since the car was brand new. She was very anal about getting it done at or before 3k at her local Valvoline fast lube joint, which is the only oil change business by her home. She lives about 60 miles from me, and didn't want to bring it over for me to change the oil for her. When the car had 60k last summer, and she was getting ready to trade it in, it was developing a ticking noise. So, I took the valve cover off and there was the beginning of some sludge on the top of the valve cover and a lot of varnish. For normal driving conditions, which for some is stop and go, or short trips, or below 0 degree F starts. I have seen the formation of sludge and varnish. There is definetely a need for a product like Auto-RX if you have a motor that is driven in pretty much any conditions.

 

[BrianWC]

Yep, I agree. Longer intervals might exacerbate things but design flaws are the root-just like in the SAAB engines. What's great with my car is even though saab fixed the flaw beginning with the 03 or 04 models in a way that wasn't practical to retrofit to the older cars, they DID continue to work on an updated system that would be easy to retrofit and finally perfected it in 06. Of course, many engines had failed by then.....but it appears I saved mine.

 

[TurboJim]

Just following a 3,000 OCI is not always enough to prevent a sludge / contaminent build up. If you neglect your PVC system you're asking for trouble.

 

[Benzadmiral]

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. . . "Did you know that 95% of vehicle problems are caused by the build up of such contaminants as carbon, sludge, dirt and third-party abrasives in your engine? It’s inevitable: engine sludge and contamination build-up are working together this very second with the sole objective of killing your engine."

This statement taken straight from Auto-Rx's website is total cra p. As someone who has spent countless hours up to my elbows in hundreds of engines the idea that good engine oil changed regularly is somehow conspiring to degrade and destroy your engine is RIDICULOUS. . . .

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Uh, no. The first part of the quote (from the Auto-Rx website?) does not state that engine oil changed regularly will "degrade and destroy your engine". It merely points out what we all know, that engine sludge and contamination buildup can damage your engine -- not the oil itself, which is apparently what 07_STI_Limited is inferring.

On the other hand, the text from the website misleadingly implies that the sludge and contamination have a joint *plan*, a *goal*, of destroying one's engine. No; they are inanimate forces; they can have no *objectives*, any more than oil can *conspire*!

Clarity, please, folks.

 

[wsm41bn]

I have filled older Engines with kerosean or diesel and let them soak for a few days then drained it and let it idle with the supertech synthetic. then drained and topped off

 

[Gremil]

I bought a 77 Gremlin that had sat for 17 years because of a bad gas tank. I did not attempt to start the motor, but the previous owner mentioned running it from time to time with a bottle and fuel line hose. The engine valve cover was left open with a couple of rubber grommets missing from the valve cover. I suspected water in the engine since it had been in the rain. I was right as about one gallon of water exited the oil pan before any motor oil showed when I pulled the drain plug. To my horror I found the oil filter full of water after removing it meaning it had been started with that water in the oil pan. Engine was sludged to the max too.

I filled the engine with some oil I bought on sale at Wal-Mart and started it. It started quickly but smoked. Since I was planning to replace the engine anyway I just flushed it with one bottle of the AMSOIL engine flush and drained it after a few hours of driving. I filled it with a 10W-40 AMSOIL which was pretty gutsy considering everything. Then I installed an AMSOIL By Pass filter I had saved from another car I had sold. The reason? I still saw lots of sludge and varnish so I fully expected the engine oil to be loaded with problems in a short while. I was hoping the By Pass filter would catch it all.

Now after driving it for months the little six cylinder engine has quit smoking and runs fantastic. I really hate to throw it away, so I bought yet another Gremlin where I plan to install this engine. It seems cleaner than before looking into the valve cover, so I believe I made the right decision to put the By Pass filter on. No sense on having more trash in the bearings than necessary.

If an engine is sludged over, but mechanically sound, all you can do is filter to the max or drain oil more often. I doubt any engine cleaner can get it all out.

 

[G-MAN]

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If an engine is sludged over, but mechanically sound, all you can do is filter to the max or drain oil more often. I doubt any engine cleaner can get it all out.

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Well, you'd be wrong. The cleaning effect of Auto-RX is well-documented. If used according to the instructions, and then used in maintenances doses, I have no doubt that it would eventually get all the sludge--every last bit. It may take a long, long time, but it will do it.

 

[BrianWC]

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If an engine is sludged over, but mechanically sound, all you can do is filter to the max or drain oil more often. I doubt any engine cleaner can get it all out.

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Well, you'd be wrong. The cleaning effect of Auto-RX is well-documented. If used according to the instructions, and then used in maintenances doses, I have no doubt that it would eventually get all the sludge--every last bit. It may take a long, long time, but it will do it.

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Yep, slow and steady but it will get it all. Wander over to the additive section and you'll see plenty of pics from me. They're also posted on the arx website look for mention of arx in a saab 9-5.

 

[rtodriver]

this is the last time i will vist this site. no facts. just a bunch of monkeys that think they have learned something from other peoples speculation.

 

[BrianWC]

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this is the last time i will vist this site. no facts. just a bunch of monkeys that think they have learned something from other peoples speculation.

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Your loss friend. Fact for me is how I watched arx clean what every other cleaner and flush didn't. Plenty of photographic evidence in the additive forum and at www.auto-rx.com No speculation necessary. Have fun and hope Jiffy Lube gives you more trustworthy info than bitog.

 

[branshew]

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this is the last time i will vist this site. no facts. just a bunch of monkeys that think they have learned something from other peoples speculation.

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Yes....no facts anywhere on this site. Just a few years worth of speculation...

 

[obbop]

I'm here for the food and the occasional rock removal project.

 

[G-MAN]

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this is the last time i will vist this site. no facts. just a bunch of monkeys that think they have learned something from other peoples speculation.

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Yes....no facts anywhere on this site. Just a few years worth of speculation...

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Ah...another candidate for permanent New Member status.