AMTECOL 5W-20 PAO OIL

[hyperscion]

here is a voa of claimed 100% pao oil. I left off alot of elements because they had 0%.
ANY comments on this oil good bad,, nothing special.
thanks


OIL AMTECOL 5W-20

REPORT DATE: 3/18/2010 CLIENT ID: 40056

REPORT
9 boron
4 SILICON
0 MOLY
1511 CALCIUM
6 MAGNESIUM
496 PHOSPHORUS
694 ZINC
0 IRON
: The viscosity of this oil measured in the correct range for a 5W/20-grade lubricant. No metals,
moisture or insolubles (solids) were present in this sample, which is to be expected. Note the 4 ppm ofsilicon, which is additive along with boron, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus and zinc. The starting TBN forthis sample was 6.4, which is the reading for the active additive that is in suspension in this oil. When thatnumber reaches 1.0 after the oil has been in use, it means that active additive is almost used up. This oilshould work well for its application.
03/11/10

Amtecol 5W/20

51.6 SUS VISC@210 F
6.4 TBN
Virgin 5W/20MAKE/MODEL:
FUEL TYPE:
ADDITIONAL INFO:
OIL TYPE & GRADE:
OIL USE INTERVAL:

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MANGANESE
Sample Date
ALUMINUM
CHROMIUM
IRON
COPPER
LEAD
TIN
MOLYBDENUM
NICKEL
SILVER
TITANIUM
POTASSIUM
BORON
SILICON
SODIUM
CALCIUM
MAGNESIUM
PHOSPHORUS
ZINC
BARIUM
MI/HR on Oil
MI/HR on Unit UNIVERSAL
AVERAGES
UNIT /
LOCATION
AVERAGES
Make Up Oil Added
ELEMENTS IN PARTS PER MILLION
Values
Should Be*
* THIS COLUMN APPLIES ONLY TO THE CURRENT SAMPLE
PROPERTIES
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 7.77
SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 51.6
Flashpoint in °F 440
Fuel %0
Antifreeze %0
Water % 0
Insolubles % 0
TBN
TAN
ISO Code
416 E. PETTIT AVE. FORT WAYNE, IN 46806 (260) 744-2380 www.blackstone-labs.com


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[dsmith41]

Add pack looks very weak to my uneducated eye. I say it is nothing special. So what if its 100% PAO. Eh.

 

[tenderloin]

http://amtecol.com/html/super 9000m.htm

http://www.amtecol.com/Html/MSDS/MSDS fully synt.engine 12022.html

 

[Colt45ws]

Cant be 100% PAO. Has to have carrier oil for the additives.

 

[tenderloin]

- POLYALPHAOLEFINS (PAOs) MIXTURE > 70

 

[hyperscion]

YES NOT 100% PAO. THE BASESTOCK IS GREATER THAN 70% PAO'
GRP IV.

This oil does not look very robust, to my untrained eye, so I won,t use it for extended OCI.
But would 3000-5000mi seem ok to provide good anti wear protection for a scion 4 cyl, 6000mi odo, a lot of short trip driving 10 mi one way.?
any info is much appreciated.

 

[addyguy]

Additive levels look really weak, but with 70% PAO base oil, this oil will be realtively robust.

I'd run it 7-8k miles, and do a UOA.

 

[Johnny]

Any oil sold at Wal Mart will give you good anti wear protection for 3,000-5,000 miles.

How much does this stuff cost?

 

[Scott_Tucker]

My boss, who used to only buy Shell or Chevron oil, switched to Amtecol to save money. It is a lot cheaper than any name brand oil, like a dollar a quart wholesale. The techs in my shop hate it. The bottles leak and the caps usually aren't tight and there is oil all over cardboard in the cases. Just based on that it doesn't seem like their quality control is very good so who knows if the VOA would be consistent from batch to batch.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

No need for PAO on a non-arctic 5w-20, it would be more beneficial in a 5w-30 or 5w-40 grade where VII could be reduced to improve shear stability. I hope it has good polar carriers OTW this oil will show high wear given PAO has poor lubricity/solvency. Pour points on this oil are not low so we are seeing no big cold weather benefit either. You can make a 20wt with 80% PAO that has a pour below -55C and stunningly light CCS #'s if the add carriers are properly selected Naphthalenes.

 

[CATERHAM]

The add' pac' is week and there may be production quality control issues.
The PDS gives the 100C vis at 8.7cSt while Blackstone reports
7.77cSt. That quite a difference.

 

[Dr. E]

This oil appears to be an API SM ILSAC-GF4 certified oil. It must be a relatively good oil to be certified. I looked at the MSDS and it indicated PAO > 70% and additives < 30%. If that is true, then with the carrier oils of the additives, then this oil's base oil must be nearly 100% PAO. Most oils are 80% (+-) base oil, correct? Then this Amtecol oil is mostly PAO base oil. What is the percentage of PAO in Pennzoil Platinum, Mobil 1, German Castrol or other popular oils? How much does this oil cost? It would seem to me that an oil with more than 70% PAO must be expensive. I could not figure out from the Amtecol web site how to buy it! Does Autozone, Pepboys or any of those places carry this oil? From the links provided, it appears that they make 5W-30, 5W-40...Are there any VOAs on these viscosities? I could be interested in the 5W-40, depending upon the price.

 

[CATERHAM]

This formulator may be a good example that even with the use of
potentially better base stocks you can still wind up with an inferior or substandard oil.

 

[MolaKule]

The total formulation is 100% of all components. Think of a PIE chart.

70% is base oil, 30% is additves. The 30% additives includes the carrier oil(s) which may be made of other groups, possibly 0.5% to 1% of other group oils such as esters Group V, so the additive package contains say 29% of active chemicals. You do not count the small percentage of carrier oils as part of the base oils.

The base oil is all PAO, according to the specs.

So in 1 Quart of this oil, there are 22 ounces of PAO and 10 ounces of additive compounds.

For most modern oils, this is about average.

Hyperscion, are you sure the Boron was 9 ppm and not 90 ppm?

 

[Dr. E]

Mola,

I am a bit puzzled by your comment "For most modern oils, this is about average." My impression is that very few oils have "any" PAO in them today. Even those marketed as "synthetic", "100 synthetic", etc. are probably group III oils. I could be wrong, but even those oils that indicate "PAO base oils" probably have less than 5-10% PAO. I doubt that even Amsoil, Red Line, Royal Purple,.....have more than 70% group IV and/or V base oils as part of the whole pie. Pennzoil Platinum, some Mobil 1, Castrol...probably have very little Group IV/V in them. I have examined their MSDS and no specifications are indicated with virtually all of the oils that I have looked at.

I am not suggesting that the Amtecol has the "best" add pack that I have ever seen (hahaha), but the API/ILSAC certification in conjunction with PAO >70% suggest a "reasonably" competent oil.

 

[hyperscion]

wow,thanks for looking at this oil with me.
Molakule, yes I just checked again, Boron 9.
price $44.00 for 6 qts.http://matrixsyntheticoils.com/store/euro_super_savers_corner_amtecol.html

Molakule, I would like to beef up this oil,can you recommened an additive to use with it?
thanks, much appreciated.

I'm here to learn

 

[MolaKule]

Quote:
I am a bit puzzled by your comment "For most modern oils, this is about average."


That statement is referring to the base oil/additive pack ratio.

Quote:
I would like to beef up this oil,can you recommened an additive to use with it?
thanks, much appreciated.


If you don't think this oil has the proper additive pack, then purchase something else.

I would run it for 3,500 miles and do a couple of UOA's and see how it compares to other oils you have run.

Additive packages now contain fewer and fewer metallic additives so the analysis may not show all the goodies contained therein.

 

[hyperscion]

ok, thanks for the insight on what the voa will/won't show.
since I already bought it I will use it.
next time i think I will buy PP and not worry so much.
this car has got to last years and years
thanks.


I'm here to learn

 

[Dr. E]

Understood, the 70/30 ratio base oil/additive is average indeed. However, the 70% base oil being 100% PAO is not average in today's environment of group III "synthetic oils".

 

[ARCOgraphite]

PAO is not a magic bullet by any means - it is an inferior lubricant, though a good performing "fluid". Think POE if you want to think high performance synthetic, and just 15-20% of base may be the trick.