Amsoil SSO- 0w30, 10,300 miles, 07 Honda Civic EX

[pcfxer]

Originally Posted By: Artem
^Thank you for the advice but 0% on the OLM would only be 8k OCIs.

The car does see a LOT of highway use and i can easily rack up 10k miles in under 6 months. Since the UOA report shows good results, i see no reason why i can't keep extending my OCIs considering the high quality oil i'm using.

I think 15k with M1 EP is possible, with a little top off somewhere along the road to add a little additive.


I agree. This engine is very good on oil!

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: pcfxer
Originally Posted By: Artem
^Thank you for the advice but 0% on the OLM would only be 8k OCIs.

The car does see a LOT of highway use and i can easily rack up 10k miles in under 6 months. Since the UOA report shows good results, i see no reason why i can't keep extending my OCIs considering the high quality oil i'm using.

I think 15k with M1 EP is possible, with a little top off somewhere along the road to add a little additive.


I agree. This engine is very good on oil!


Its an amazing engine, IMO. The amount of new technology that went into this engine amazes me. here are some links and Honda's own video on the engine.

http://asia.vtec.net/Engines/RiVTEC/index.html

http://world.honda.com/HDTV/news/2005-4050705a/

 

[Artem]

The original post has been edited to show the report with the particle count attached but here it is again for easy viewing...

 

[Artem]

Question: I remember someone posting something along the lines of; when TAN surpasses the TBN, the oil needs to be changed.

Having looked at this report and B_S's recommendation to run it longer, i don't know who to believe...

 

[ltslimjim]

I'd say it's relatively speaking. TAN looks relatively low overall, while the TBN has indeed fallen. The question is, how soon before TAN skyrockets and TBN goes to ziltch? It's hard to predict this kind of thing. Good question, and I'd like to get answers from those who know.

 

[chubbs1]

Nice UOA Artem. Appreciate it!

 

[INDYMAC]

Unless you know the original/starting TAN of your oil, you should probably stick to the TAN/TBN crossover rule as a change point.

For those that have a virgin TAN number from VOA, they like to use a "when TAN doubles" as a change point.

If you want more data to analyze on a sample, you might try using Dyson Analysis. They have a Dyson Raw kit for $59. I consider this a better value than the Blackstone report that you did...just a suggestion if want to continue with your passion.

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: chubbs1
Nice UOA Artem. Appreciate it!



You're welcome, Chubbs

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: INDYMAC
Unless you know the original/starting TAN of your oil, you should probably stick to the TAN/TBN crossover rule as a change point.

For those that have a virgin TAN number from VOA, they like to use a "when TAN doubles" as a change point.

If you want more data to analyze on a sample, you might try using Dyson Analysis. They have a Dyson Raw kit for $59. I consider this a better value than the Blackstone report that you did...just a suggestion if want to continue with your passion.


What is included in the "raw" kit? What makes Dyson a better lab / report?

I like B_S because the report is easy to read and understand.

Thanks for the info on TBN

 

[INDYMAC]

Dyson Raw will give you this without any interpretation or recommendations:

"Broad-based test package used for Dyson Analysis formulating screens. 21 elemental metals, viscosity @ 40C and 100C, viscosity index, TAN, TBN, flashpoint, oxidation, nitration, sulfate by-products, water by KF, fuel, soot, and glycol."

A few different protocols are used with Dyson and his lab is ISO certified. Spectrometry allows to see up to 15 microns instead of 10 microns. Fuel dilute and flashpoint readings are more accurate, which will allow you to tune the engine better if you want to. Blackstone readings are pretty useless in this regard. I like and use Blackstone too, but have found the Dyson work to be bettr if you really want to know what's going on with the engine.

Also, Dyson does not offer insolubles or particle counts.

 

[Artem]

Hmmmm.... good stuff. thank you for the info. I will look to them in the future. For now, B_S is the lab of choice for me, simply because of the amount invested in UOA history thus far.

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Artem
Will try ASM 0w20 next to compare and see how much better MPGs i can squeeze outta the ol' civic.


Sounds good I'd love to see the side by side since the SSO and ASM are Amsoil's two best oils.



So I'm thinking of trying out different oils in the civic for experimental purposes. What oils do you guys want to see run up to 10k?

As of right now, i'm thinking of trying Amsoil ASM 0w20 just to compare the wear numbers to the 0w30 SSO.

Since Amsoil just released the reformulated SN version of ASM, i'm all the more eager to try it... the only thing that's got me worried is that summer is right around the corner here in Jax, FL with temps hoovering at 92F already.

Thoughts?

I know pretty much everyone on the Pennzoil bandwagon would love to see PP or PU @ 10k to compare to Amsoil's numbers. Haha.

 

[demarpaint]

I think ASM and SSO side by side would be cool. Do you plan on doing two runs and then sampling on the second run? Most people say the data would be more accurate doing it that way. I think the ASM is stout enough to deal with the Florida heat, it is one of their best oils, and very close to a light 30 grade. The problem with any of these tests is it can take years. One thing we all have is time, hopefully!

 

[Artem]

it Would take years for a normal Joe to rack up 20k in order to then finally pull a sample... I should be able to do that in about 6 months if i stop using my Camry for trips and only use the Civic. Haha.

Alright, so i'll order some ASM to dump into the Civic at the next OC. I don't think its necessary to sample on the second OC because since i'm using the same brand of oil just a different viscosity, it shouldn't effect the results much, if any at all.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Artem
it Would take years for a normal Joe to rack up 20k in order to then finally pull a sample... I should be able to do that in about 6 months if i stop using my Camry for trips and only use the Civic. Haha.

Alright, so i'll order some ASM to dump into the Civic at the next OC. I don't think its necessary to sample on the second OC because since i'm using the same brand of oil just a different viscosity, it shouldn't effect the results much, if any at all.


It would take me years with three vehicles that's for sure. Some people might say some of the 30 grade oil might still be remaining after the change and skew results. Just playing Devil's Advocate. You do realize this could start another thick vs thin war?

 

[Artem]

Yes i realize the consequences of this experiment. Haha. There's a reason why i've been using the 30 weight in my Civic when the book says a 20 weight

I started doing UOA at an interesting time. All the oils are being reformulated to meet SN specs so my previous UOA on SSO are rather pointless now that AZO came out. at:

Either way, i want to compare SN vs SN in different viscosities to note wear numbers.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Artem
Yes i realize the consequences of this experiment. Haha. There's a reason why i've been using the 30 weight in my Civic when the book says a 20 weight

I started doing UOA at an interesting time. All the oils are being reformulated to meet SN specs so my previous UOA on SSO are rather pointless now that AZO came out. at:

Either way, i want to compare SN vs SN in different viscosities to note wear numbers.


Sounds like a plan. What sucks with these changes from SM to SN is its back to the drawing board for many of us. I'm still waiting on PDS sheets from Castrol. Theirs are dated 12/2009 for Edge 0W20. I still have plenty of the SM but would love to see a current PDS.