Amsoil Signature Series & GF-7

[buster]

90 Hours is about 5400 minutes so we could do a 1-year test, 5400 minutes divided by 15 is 360, so 360 days. Run the engine for 15 minutes, shut it off and start the test 24 hours later, and compare the results to this 90-hour test! Amsoil has been around since 1972, so I think they have time to do a test like this.

They run an F-150 Raptor on a simulator machine for real world testing. Plus they have contracts with fleets and own OAI.

"Signature Series 5W-30 100% Synthetic Motor Oil was installed in a 2025 Ford* F-150 Raptor* and run through a 125,000-mile test. Oil changes were performed at 25,000-mile intervals, and power sweeps were performed before and after the 125,000-mile test protocol."

 

[Brian123]

Yes, let's just turn a 4-day test into a 365 day test.

I did say 360, but we will go with 365! 5 days to look at the results!

Very easy to work around making it nearly 100x longer,

Is this by days or hours?

and also having it occupy test equipment that entire time, preventing it being used for other tests.

I think you really need to understand what is going on with the Amsoil tests, the only 1 will tell is Pablo! LOL

 

[ltslimjim]

90 Hours is about 5400 minutes so we could do a 1-year test, 5400 minutes divided by 15 is 360, so 360 days. Run the engine for 15 minutes, shut it off and start the test 24 hours later, and compare the results to this 90-hour test! Amsoil has been around since 1972, so I think they have time to do a test like this.

Is 15 minutes even going to completely heat soak the engine? Why would I want to run a 15 minute test every day? Whats the purpose? It’s inefficient and time wasting unless there are actual metrics we are chasing.

 

[Brian123]

Is 15 minutes even going to completely heat soak the engine?

Probably Not!

? Why would I want to run a 15 minute test every day? Whats the purpose?

Because it takes me 7.5 minutes to drive to the Refreshment store and 7.5 minutes to drive back home!

 

[TacoFergie]

Just give us 5qt jugs already!! lol

They run an F-150 Raptor on a simulator machine for real world testing. Plus they have contracts with fleets and own OAI.

"Signature Series 5W-30 100% Synthetic Motor Oil was installed in a 2025 Ford* F-150 Raptor* and run through a 125,000-mile test. Oil changes were performed at 25,000-mile intervals, and power sweeps were performed before and after the 125,000-mile test protocol."

I wonder how test results would differ for average driver that does shorter trips like 15min to and from work with all the temperature variations from -15f to 100F like in my climate? Of course there are always infinite variables, but I don't know that'd I would try 25k intervals with that kind of driving in my 23 F150 Lariat. It's still extremely impressive though!

 

[doverlabs]

Yes, let's just turn a 4-day test into a 365 day test. Very easy to work around making it nearly 100x longer, and also having it occupy test equipment that entire time, preventing it being used for other tests.

The burden of proof for Amsoil is always 100x more than any other oil - but sure keep buying Group 3 oils that are constantly sticking rings and loading up engines with sludge.

BTW you forgot to mention, you would be paying expensive employees, operations, etc that entire time. Of course, BROtella, Pennzoil, etc don’t need to do those ridiculously unscientific tests.

 

[Mephy]

I hope they do not mess with the NOACK numbers on their 5w30 and 10w30 oil. I will be copying down the numbers tonight! I have no use for the other weights!

Actually, the Noak is better especially for the 5W 30.

 

[buster]

How many cycles of the reference IIIH test are required for stuck rings to start appearing?

 

[Brian123]

Actually, the Noak is better especially for the 5W 30.

It is also better for the 10W-30!

 

[Mephy]

It is also better for the 10W-30!

HTHS went down from 3.11 to 3 on the 5W-30 which I don't like, but this new line I believe, should be more shear resistant.

 

[buster]

HTHS went down from 3.11 to 3 on the 5W-30 which I don't like, but this new line I believe, should be more shear resistant.

Right and I think they said it is in overall service. With such low volatility, cleanliness and shear stability I'm guessing they use some mPAO as a VII and good amount of some ester. Just guessing. But the numbers speak for itself.

 

[OVERKILL]

The burden of proof for Amsoil is always 100x more than any other oil - but sure keep buying Group 3 oils that are constantly sticking rings and loading up engines with sludge.

BTW you forgot to mention, you would be paying expensive employees, operations, etc that entire time. Of course, BROtella, Pennzoil, etc don’t need to do those ridiculously unscientific tests.

AMSOIL is also using Group III, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it in applications where it is appropriate.

 

[Brian123]

The burden of proof for Amsoil is always 100x more than any other oil

That is what happens with the best Oil available to us!

but sure keep buying Group 3 oils that are constantly sticking rings and loading up engines with sludge.

There are other causes for sticking rings that have nothing to do with Group 3 oils and the sludge thing I know nothing about.

 

[tired]

AMSOIL is also using Group III, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it in applications where it is appropriate.

But @Pablo swore it was only as a carrier oil!

(It really doesn't bother me. I'm certain that they formulated a great oil.)

 

[buster]

I saw a EU SDS a few years back that did show there was a % of GTL in SS. I think this new version likely has little to none, but you never know. Noack is exceptionally low which to me suggests PAO/Ester or some combo.

 

[tired]

I saw a EU SDS a few years back that did show there was a % of GTL in SS. I think this new version likely has little to none, but you never know. Noack is exceptionally low which to me suggests PAO/Ester or some combo.

Yep I linked that report to him, and he said it's all just carrier oil.

 

[Pablo]

What are we getting at here?

 

[mitsuman47]

What are we getting at here?

You are now the spokesman for both their engineering and marketing teams. Congratulations!

 

[Pablo]

You are now the spokesman for both their engineering and marketing teams. Congratulations!

Hahahaha and Bob is The Reverse Engineer Guy

 

[Brian123]

You are now the spokesman for both their engineering and marketing teams. Congratulations!

Pablo for the Marketing Team, and OVERKILL for the engineering team!