I am considering running Amsoil Series 2000 2 cycle oil in my JetSki next summer instead of the recommended TCW-3. My only concern is that since the Series 2000 is a racing oil, it will not contain nearly the levels of detergent that TCW-3 rated oil will. Should I worry?
Amsoil Series 2000 2 cycle Detergency
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I wouldn't worry a bit.
However, if your JetSki has a power valve, you might want to run the newer AMSOIL Interceptor 2 cycle oil
However, if your JetSki has a power valve, you might want to run the newer AMSOIL Interceptor 2 cycle oil
Although I do not have any first hand expierance with interceptor its what I would use in your ski if I where to run a amsoil product. Series 200 isnt to great IMO from a deposit standpoint and you engine will never got hot enough to combust it properly causeing alot of black oily goo on your hull and exhaust system.
I like these answers so far...cheaper and better for my application! How do they compare wear wise? I know both have to be better than what I run now (whatever tcw3 is on sale).
I thought that PWCs recommended TC oils and not W3s, because they work at higher HP/CC, temperature, and RPM than outboards.
From a lubrication standpoint an EG-D performance level would be my pick.
Shell's Advance Ultra, or Mobil's MX2T are two that come to mind.
From a lubrication standpoint an EG-D performance level would be my pick.
Shell's Advance Ultra, or Mobil's MX2T are two that come to mind.
Just looked at the Interceptor oil and saw it was TC, I need TCW-3. Yamaha and Kawasaki(the one I have) require TCW-3. SeaDoo requires TC since they put out the most HP/CC in stock form. They also have a reputation for the shortest lifespan between rebuilds. They have a synthetic custom blended by Castrol that is highly recommended by most who work on them, but costs $40/Gallon. Not sure about what any other manufacturer specs.
The interceptor oil is actually a JASO FC formulation, but is recommended to replace TC-W3 oils in those applications. It will burn cleaner than the Series 2000 under light load conditions ....
I know the Amsoil product line pretty well and this is what I'd use for a modern jetski, unless you are actually racing it for money.
Tooslick
I know the Amsoil product line pretty well and this is what I'd use for a modern jetski, unless you are actually racing it for money.
Tooslick
TooSlick
I have used Amsoil 100:1 at 80:1 in the past in an 85 HP Evenrude on a 15" Ranger Bass Boat! I litteraly ran the H*** out of that boat, Man did it run great! Had the gear lube in the lower unit also! Had a freind that had the exact same boat and mine would do 5MPH faster than his! I know that there is always variables in boats that can make a lot of difference, but I never changed plugs or decarbed in the two years I had the boat! Now have an 18' with a 150 on it! I`m going to take the injection off because of the plastic oil pump gear that I do not trust and am wondering if I should use the same oil at the same ratio, or so to the 2000??
Hasbeen
I have used Amsoil 100:1 at 80:1 in the past in an 85 HP Evenrude on a 15" Ranger Bass Boat! I litteraly ran the H*** out of that boat, Man did it run great! Had the gear lube in the lower unit also! Had a freind that had the exact same boat and mine would do 5MPH faster than his! I know that there is always variables in boats that can make a lot of difference, but I never changed plugs or decarbed in the two years I had the boat! Now have an 18' with a 150 on it! I`m going to take the injection off because of the plastic oil pump gear that I do not trust and am wondering if I should use the same oil at the same ratio, or so to the 2000??
Hasbeen
Hasbeen,
I actually prefer the 100:1 stuff for most premix applications, including water cooled outboard motors. The 100:1 is a JASO/FC and ISO EGD formulation and burns very clean at lean ratios of 80:1-100:1 ...
As I've mentioned several times, one reason why you can safely run these ratios is that the Amsoil 100:1 oil contains no solvent - it's a blend of several types of pure synthetic esters. Most 50:1 mix, petroleum two stroke oils are heavily cut with stoddard solvent so that they will mix well with gas and flow at low temps in snowmobile injection systems.
For outboards that use oil injection, this new Intercepter oil is probably the way to go ....
Ted K.
Dixie Synthetics
I actually prefer the 100:1 stuff for most premix applications, including water cooled outboard motors. The 100:1 is a JASO/FC and ISO EGD formulation and burns very clean at lean ratios of 80:1-100:1 ...
As I've mentioned several times, one reason why you can safely run these ratios is that the Amsoil 100:1 oil contains no solvent - it's a blend of several types of pure synthetic esters. Most 50:1 mix, petroleum two stroke oils are heavily cut with stoddard solvent so that they will mix well with gas and flow at low temps in snowmobile injection systems.
For outboards that use oil injection, this new Intercepter oil is probably the way to go ....
Ted K.
Dixie Synthetics
Low ash oils like interceptor will cause fouled plugs in a outboard. High ash oils like 100:1 would make the fouling even worse.
Tooslick, Amsoil isnt claiming that 100:1 is a egd oil this week. They are claiming that it is a tcw3 and jaso fc oil which is impossible. This link spells out the differances between tcw3 and tc, fc, egd oils quit clearly.
http://www.spectro-oils.com/faqs.htm
[ November 11, 2003, 12:29 AM: Message edited by: blano ]
Tooslick, Amsoil isnt claiming that 100:1 is a egd oil this week. They are claiming that it is a tcw3 and jaso fc oil which is impossible. This link spells out the differances between tcw3 and tc, fc, egd oils quit clearly.
http://www.spectro-oils.com/faqs.htm
[ November 11, 2003, 12:29 AM: Message edited by: blano ]
Ben,
Your comments run counter to the ten years of experience I've had using/selling with the 100:1, for air and water cooled applications. If you'd like to run a controlled test next year in some of the fishing boats, please let me know. Even if you do slow trolling, there is little to no plug fouling with the 100:1 formulation.
Amsoil has straightened out their labelling in their latest G-290 product catalog:
AIO = TC-W3
TCR and Interceptor = JASO FC
100:1 = JASO FC and ISO EGD
Ted
Your comments run counter to the ten years of experience I've had using/selling with the 100:1, for air and water cooled applications. If you'd like to run a controlled test next year in some of the fishing boats, please let me know. Even if you do slow trolling, there is little to no plug fouling with the 100:1 formulation.
Amsoil has straightened out their labelling in their latest G-290 product catalog:
AIO = TC-W3
TCR and Interceptor = JASO FC
100:1 = JASO FC and ISO EGD
Ted
There website is still wrong as I just checked it last night.
I highly doubt if 100:1 is a egd oil as its quit a old formulation. Why does amsoil arbitrarily assign specs to oils when they clearly do not have a clue which specs they meet? Thats the thing with Amsoil. The are not reputable. Would Mobil say MX2T "meets" conflicting specs when in reality these ols are not certified to any specs?
BTW use of a non tcw3 oil will void your outboards warranty.
I highly doubt if 100:1 is a egd oil as its quit a old formulation. Why does amsoil arbitrarily assign specs to oils when they clearly do not have a clue which specs they meet? Thats the thing with Amsoil. The are not reputable. Would Mobil say MX2T "meets" conflicting specs when in reality these ols are not certified to any specs?
BTW use of a non tcw3 oil will void your outboards warranty.
Ben,
Perhaps you could lobby to have me put in charge of the website?
I agree it could be much better - they do a particularly poor job of keeping the spec sheets up to date. For example, the Series 3000, 5w30 has new and improved specs, but the new sheet has not been posted. Noack volatility has dropped from 8.6% to 6.5% and CCS viscosity @ -25C has dropped from 6100 Cp to 5000 Cp.
Ted
Perhaps you could lobby to have me put in charge of the website?
I agree it could be much better - they do a particularly poor job of keeping the spec sheets up to date. For example, the Series 3000, 5w30 has new and improved specs, but the new sheet has not been posted. Noack volatility has dropped from 8.6% to 6.5% and CCS viscosity @ -25C has dropped from 6100 Cp to 5000 Cp.
Ted
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