AMSOIL EAO17 09/10/24…….its a leaker :-(

[ZeeOSix]

You know that’s a good point. Where the ripples normally are there was absolutely zero light but there is light about 90° out.

Yeah, it has to be both flat and smooth to make any kind of seal when it's just metal-to-metal.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

A great deal of discussion of the Fram Endurance filer and its issues. It only makes sense that the EA lineup follow suit due to the manufacturing.

As some have shown before, the AMSOIL filter in this case EA 017 has some rather disappointing internal flaws. The spring assembly, as it is a stamped spring design, has flaws. The flaws shown in the 2nd and again the 3rd pictures.

Not doubting others’ info here, just needed to get some oil on my new filter cutter.

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Considering you can’t see this junction under spring pressure inside the can, I’d say it’s cautionary “at best”.

Likely nothing wrong with that filter at all. Would love to see insolubles reading from a reputable lab from that OCI, before @Pablo has to relocate via WITSEC, again…

 

[ZeeOSix]

Considering you can’t see this junction under spring pressure inside the can, I’d say it’s cautionary “at best”.

Likely nothing wrong with that filter at all. Would love to see insolubles reading from a reputable lab from that OCI ...

@Glenda W. did check a Fram Endurance with the leaf spring under assembled pressure - cut holes around the dome end to see the end cap and leaf spring. The thing is that the shape of the leaf spring makes it super stiff down around the area where it mates the end cap, so if it's warped (not flat) in that area it's not going to flatten out when assembled and under pressure. Also, WCW put one like this in a vice and put way more pressure on it than it would experience normally assembled, and it didn't seal any better. He put so much pressure on the leaf spring that the ear bent, and it still didn't seal the gap at the end cap. The leaf spring needs to be stamped level and smooth to have any kind of decent metal-to-metal seal with the end cap.

There is no correlation between insolubles % and ISO particle counts if you look at many Blackstone UOAs that have that data.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

Once again, it shows how the MicroGard Select is a better choice……..for me

 

[Glenda W.]

@Glenda W. did check a Fram Endurance with the leaf spring under assembled pressure - cut holes around the dome end to see the end cap and leaf spring. The thing is that the shape of the leaf spring makes it super stiff down around the area where it mates the end cap, so if it's warped (not flat) in that area it's not going to flatten out when assembled and under pressure. Also, WCW put one like this in a vice and put way more pressure on it than it would experience normally assembled, and it didn't seal any better. He put so much pressure on the leaf spring that the ear bent, and it still didn't seal the gap at the end cap. The leaf spring needs to be stamped level and smooth to have any kind of decent metal-to-metal seal with the end cap.

There is no correlation between insolubles % and ISO particle counts if you look at many Blackstone UOAs that have that data.

Yes my thread showed assembled pressure does not seal the gaps. Also heat does not produce enough expansion to seal the gaps. At least not in the filter I tested.

 

[Wireman1987]

A great deal of discussion of the Fram Endurance filer and its issues. It only makes sense that the EA lineup follow suit due to the manufacturing.

As some have shown before, the AMSOIL filter in this case EA 017 has some rather disappointing internal flaws. The spring assembly, as it is a stamped spring design, has flaws. The flaws shown in the 2nd and again the 3rd pictures.

Not doubting others’ info here, just needed to get some oil on my new filter cutter.

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20,000 mile filter talks the talk but can’t walk the walk.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

Yes my thread showed assembled pressure does not seal the gaps. Also heat does not produce enough expansion to seal the gaps. At least not in the filter I tested.

I just pushed on it rather harshly.
Certainly warped & the can pressure would not seal that defect.

 

[Glenda W.]

We actually had one with a tilted end cap as well.

 

[rstcso]

Switching away from all Amsoil products after having used them for almost 50 years. Their product data sheet online is still showing an older design and not what is being shipped for the EA15K13. If they're willing to not disclose changes to their filters, what else are they not telling us?

I sent pictures and had discussions with my serving dealer, so it's not like Amsoil wasn't/isn't aware.

 

[Glenda W.]

Switching away from all Amsoil products after having used them for almost 50 years. Their product data sheet online is still showing an older design and not what is being shipped for the EA15K13. If they're willing to not disclose changes to their filters, what else are they not telling us?

I sent pictures and had discussions with my serving dealer, so it's not like Amsoil wasn't/isn't aware.

Bummer. I still have full faith in their lubes. Currently converting my Jeep to full Amsoil for severe off road service.

 

[Pablo]

Bummer. I still have full faith in their lubes. Currently converting my Jeep to full Amsoil for severe off road service.

This filter was made in 2024. Right?

 

[Fair enough]

Yes my thread showed assembled pressure does not seal the gaps. Also heat does not produce enough expansion to seal the gaps. At least not in the filter I tested.

The way the leaf is made the ends pressing down is like a lever to raise the middle. There is a large dome shape where the plastic bypass sits in, but it’s still going to try and move up in the middle and it doesn’t take a lot to make a leak on a raised line that is on the end cap. Anyway the choices have narrowed for other reasons too.
I guess they are going bankrupt with all their acquisitions and firing those who knew how to make the products, and Puro right now is clearing stock. Why, no one knows but it usually of course means low sales.
I see the Boss is $4 now. Bought more and returning the $8 ones. Too bad Amazon. Nice filters though.

 

[rstcso]

This filter was made in 2024. Right?

You'd have to tell me. Bought it after buying the Pilot in May of this year.

 

[Pablo]

You'd have to tell me. Bought it after buying the Pilot in May of this year.

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I can't read that unfortunately.
This is the filter that was cut open? The OP had a 2024 filter.

 

[rstcso]

I can't read that unfortunately.

Here's the original post.

 

[Pablo]

Here's the original post.

January 2025 for that one.

 

[Pablo]

I have made Amsoil aware of this thread.

 

[Pablo]

Double post

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

 

[ZeeOSix]

The way the leaf is made the ends pressing down is like a lever to raise the middle. There is a large dome shape where the plastic bypass sits in, but it’s still going to try and move up in the middle and it doesn’t take a lot to make a leak on a raised line that is on the end cap.

The leaf spring is too stiff for the middle area between the ears to "raise" or even "flatten out" if the force on the two ears is increased. The ears will flex to a certain degree, then permanently deform if too much force is applied before the middle raises up like you theorize. WCW showed this with his vice test to put more pressure on the leaf spring ears. The leaf spring design is very stiff around the area that interfaces with the end cap, so it it's not stamped flat and smooth, no amount of force on the ears is going to make it seal better on the end cap. The only fix is to stamp the leaf spring correctly in the first place. Do the testing yourself to see.